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Dogs shot dead after killing horse in Haslingden
3:02pm Sunday 27th April 2008
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TWO rottweilers that are believed to have mauled a horse to death were shot by police officers.
Police received a call at around 1.40am this morning to say that two rottweiler dogs were attacking a horse in a field off Clough End Road, Haslingden.
When officers arrived at the scene they found the horse lying dead in the field after what appeared to have been a savage attack by the two dogs.
Attempts were made to locate the owner of the horse and the dogs, but when they could not be found the decision was taken to shoot the dogs.
A police spokesman said: "When we arrived there we found that the horse had been killed.
"It was deemed that the two dogs posed a significant threat to public safety and both were shot and killed by armed officers.
"We are still trying to trace the owner of the horse and the dogs and would appeal to them to get in touch."
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mel, baxeden says...
5:07pm Sun 27 Apr 08
My thoughts go to the horses owner,I hope the two rotties where chipped and their owner can be located and the police can bring charges against them,I adore rottweilers and have friends who own them,in the right hands and training a rottweiler makes a fabulous pet.this is going to have a big effect on the breed and the reputable breeders who put time and money into breeding good stock
mc, blackburn says...
5:19pm Sun 27 Apr 08
only a horse these types of dogs usually kill children..the breed should go the way of pitbulls
Rick O Shea, Lancashire says...
6:27pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Good effort by the police...they are keeping up their figures with blowing dogs heads off and so deservidly were the dogs killed...what if they had attack a child or an adult..no doubt the usual dog loving do gooders will defend the rotweillers by pray go back into your den..the dogs were dingles and probably had 6 paws which made them more dangerous...more fool the owner and well done to the armed police officers being forced into that position to fill the beastly muscular hounds with good quality lead...sends a warning to ALL nasty dogs (and owmers) 'keep your dogs at bay or the police will have a good day'..well done boys for Uzzying them up
MIKEOXLONG, says...
6:30pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Well here we are again with another story of how this breed of dog can go horribly wrong. I agree it was a shame for the horse and the owner but it could have been a child. The dog lovers will no doubt be out in force defending Rottweilers giving it the usual, 'WELL ITS THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED BY THE OWNERS BLAH BLAH BLAH', but they have to acknowledge that they are a breed of animal that no matter how playful and placid they appear to be on the surface always have the potential to turn like this.
Danny Hally, Manchester says...
7:23pm Sun 27 Apr 08
I wish I was reading about two dead dogs after the Horse kicked their heads off for attempting to attack, really I do. The sad thing is, the Horse probably, as is their nature, may have approached the dogs as they ran into the field to befriend them, only for those overgrown rats to attack him. I hope the owner gets to pay for this and dog owners to hang their heads in shame. Poor horse must have suffered terribly.
Offended..., Lancs says...
9:08pm Sun 27 Apr 08
They're animals, you morons. "Burn in the eternal fires of hell"??? Get a grip, you utter imbecile.
Dogs are dogs are dogs... some breeds are more likely to turn nasty than others - much like any other animal. When they do turn nasty, it's not because they are 'evil', it's because they are... dogs.
It's awful what happened to this horse, as an animal lover it upsets me to think what it went through. Putting these dogs down was the right thing to do, because their savage animal instincts had gotten the better of their sociable character, and they did a terrible thing. By putting them down, other horses / children / whatever have probably been saved a mauling.
Burn in the fires of hell, though... honestly. No doubt you'd be having all predatory carnivores condemned to hell, because let's be honest - lions, cheetahs, dogs, foxes, wolves, pumas, etc etc etc are all designed to brutally kill other living things - it's how they live, naturally. Are they all evil devilspawn, too?
Dogs are dogs are dogs... some breeds are more likely to turn nasty than others - much like any other animal. When they do turn nasty, it's not because they are 'evil', it's because they are... dogs.
It's awful what happened to this horse, as an animal lover it upsets me to think what it went through. Putting these dogs down was the right thing to do, because their savage animal instincts had gotten the better of their sociable character, and they did a terrible thing. By putting them down, other horses / children / whatever have probably been saved a mauling.
Burn in the fires of hell, though... honestly. No doubt you'd be having all predatory carnivores condemned to hell, because let's be honest - lions, cheetahs, dogs, foxes, wolves, pumas, etc etc etc are all designed to brutally kill other living things - it's how they live, naturally. Are they all evil devilspawn, too?
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
9:12pm Sun 27 Apr 08
mel wrote:Poor horse. My thoughts go out to the owner.
My thoughts go to the horses owner,I hope the two rotties where chipped and their owner can be located and the police can bring charges against them,I adore rottweilers and have friends who own them,in the right hands and training a rottweiler makes a fabulous pet.this is going to have a big effect on the breed and the reputable breeders who put time and money into breeding good stock
The Police did right to shoot these dogs. All rotweilers should be shot. They are anti-social malicious dogs that have no place in society. They are repeatedly involved in mauling incidents, like pitbulls, and they need to be banned.
Why, oh why, would any sane dog-lover want to own one of these beasts?
Oh I forgot, they make you look hard, innit?
mel, baxeden says...
10:11pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Merlin, The Voice of Reason wrote:Merlin, The Voice of Reason i think you missed something in my post.I did say i felt sorry for the horses owners??
mel wrote:Poor horse. My thoughts go out to the owner.
My thoughts go to the horses owner,I hope the two rotties where chipped and their owner can be located and the police can bring charges against them,I adore rottweilers and have friends who own them,in the right hands and training a rottweiler makes a fabulous pet.this is going to have a big effect on the breed and the reputable breeders who put time and money into breeding good stock
The Police did right to shoot these dogs. All rotweilers should be shot. They are anti-social malicious dogs that have no place in society. They are repeatedly involved in mauling incidents, like pitbulls, and they need to be banned.
Why, oh why, would any sane dog-lover want to own one of these beasts?
Oh I forgot, they make you look hard, innit?
As for why would any sane animal lover want to own one.i will tell you why,in the right hands rotties do make wonderful pets.I dont own one so it doesnt make me look hard.Take trip to crufts or any dog show and see all these so called dogs who should be put on the ddr.most are bred for temperament,but unfortunatley its the idiots who buy one and think they can make a few quid in breeding them not knowing their lines etc.I do own a medium breed dog who if turned nasty could prove fatal,but so could any dog.
and no my dog doesnt make me hard innit
honey, n.ireland says...
10:43pm Sun 27 Apr 08
i also feel sorri for the horse and owners but i did own a rescue rotti and she was a gem any dog can be dangerous in the wrong hands please dont brand every rotti as a dangerous dog it has alot to do with the owners its like if it was kids had done it the first thing people would say its the parents fault no difference
Lori Lynn, United States says...
11:46pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Wow some of the comments here are quite brutal. You paint with a very wide stroke and sound ignorant when you condemn the entire breed. Where do you draw the line and decide which breeds are worthy to live and others aren't? this was a trajedy but I don't think you should react with hysteria and say things like all rottweilers should be shot. Be careful because it is a slipperly slope to get on if you are a pet lover in any way.
BP, says...
1:39am Mon 28 Apr 08
Why, oh why, would any sane dog-lover want to own one of these beasts?
Search above for rottweiler and Lennox. You should find a story about a fire and a teen boy.
I'm sure Carl MacMahon feels perfectly sane for owning one of these beasts. Thanks to Lennox, he's alive to feel period. ;)
Search above for rottweiler and Lennox. You should find a story about a fire and a teen boy.
I'm sure Carl MacMahon feels perfectly sane for owning one of these beasts. Thanks to Lennox, he's alive to feel period. ;)
Leon, Kingston says...
8:13am Mon 28 Apr 08
My neighbourg is a nasty guy, twice the armed police came to arrest him. He's very dangerous and brutal. We're from the same village, does it mean I'm dangerous too? Please don't gun me down! Thanks.
k bishop, worcs says...
8:39am Mon 28 Apr 08
I am a horse and dog owner, i own a rottie, a lab and a jack russell, but i have experienced a labrador with just as much ferocity as theese dogs appear to have had. People need to realise any dog can turn in the wrong hands and can be capable of just as much damage. Rotties are herding dogs but in the wrong hands they like any dog can be dangerous. It is the owners not the dogs that people should be angry at.
HC, Northants says...
8:45am Mon 28 Apr 08
It is not helpful or sensible to blame the dogs. The owners of the dogs are responsible not the animals.
Dan, M16 says...
9:08am Mon 28 Apr 08
Rotty owners are as bad as Paris Hilton. They carry around these dogs like ego boosts and fashion accessories and it's a disgrace. Look at what these evil things do to children and even horses! If you know someone who owns a rotty, shame them into getting rid of it, and do it today.
Do it for every kid hurt, and do it for this poor horse, a much finer example of an animal than these devil spawns.
Do it for every kid hurt, and do it for this poor horse, a much finer example of an animal than these devil spawns.
John F, Accrington says...
9:13am Mon 28 Apr 08
Right on Dan! I've already told my brother he ain't welcome at my wedding next month until he gets shut of his rotty. Exactly right about Paris Hilton and the dog being an accessory. These people want to be like Ross Kemp and use these Rottys as an ego extension. Losers.
Sally, London says...
9:27am Mon 28 Apr 08
Poor Horsey!!! I hate dogs.
JE, n. Yorks says...
9:56am Mon 28 Apr 08
Here we go again, let's blame all rotties for the actions of one or two, any dog has the potential to cause harm, and we should all be aware of this. Yes this is terrible what as happened to the horse, but lets all try and be sensible about the condemning of all this entire breed. YES I AM one of these owners and NO my rotti is not a ego extension, he is my loving companion, that my life would be so less worth while with out, THANK YOU!
Caitrus, Blackburn says...
10:16am Mon 28 Apr 08
Excuse me, i cannot believe what i am reading.
Yes those dogs should have been put down for what they did, they could not be trusted. and Yes i feel sick to my stomach for the pony however YOU CANNOT JUST SAY THAT THIS BREED IS DANGEROUS CAUSE IT'S BORN INTO THEM.
Rotties are actually very good police dogs and given the RIGHT TRAINING AND UPBRINGING can be wonderful police, working and family dogs.
Anyone who ownes a dog of this size and strength should have training certificates and take responsibility for them and under no circumstances leave ANY DOG with chidlren as NO DOG is safe to be left with children. This is a very unfortunate incident and the owners of these dogs will need to be investigated as to why the dogs have done this.
There could even be a medical reason for this - PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THESE DOGS ARE ALL BORN EVIL there could be many factors as to why they have done this - as wrong as it is.
People who dismiss any reason for this behavior are as bad as those who have these dogs and bring them up badly because if all dogs were takesn to training classed from being 8 weeks old and socialised properly these attacks would be very few and far between.
The media are playing up to this - why are they always putting photos of rotties with their teeth out - THEY ARE NOT ALL LIKE THIS AND THE ONES THAT ARE HAVE BEEN BROUGH UP BADLY OR HAVE SOME MEDICAL PROBLEM.
Yes those dogs should have been put down for what they did, they could not be trusted. and Yes i feel sick to my stomach for the pony however YOU CANNOT JUST SAY THAT THIS BREED IS DANGEROUS CAUSE IT'S BORN INTO THEM.
Rotties are actually very good police dogs and given the RIGHT TRAINING AND UPBRINGING can be wonderful police, working and family dogs.
Anyone who ownes a dog of this size and strength should have training certificates and take responsibility for them and under no circumstances leave ANY DOG with chidlren as NO DOG is safe to be left with children. This is a very unfortunate incident and the owners of these dogs will need to be investigated as to why the dogs have done this.
There could even be a medical reason for this - PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THESE DOGS ARE ALL BORN EVIL there could be many factors as to why they have done this - as wrong as it is.
People who dismiss any reason for this behavior are as bad as those who have these dogs and bring them up badly because if all dogs were takesn to training classed from being 8 weeks old and socialised properly these attacks would be very few and far between.
The media are playing up to this - why are they always putting photos of rotties with their teeth out - THEY ARE NOT ALL LIKE THIS AND THE ONES THAT ARE HAVE BEEN BROUGH UP BADLY OR HAVE SOME MEDICAL PROBLEM.
Responsiblehorseowne
r, Accrington says...
10:17am Mon 28 Apr 08
This incident has really upset me. I own two horses (no dogs) and a few months ago, two dogs (I think they were Staffies) ran off the moor (obviously not under the control of their owner)onto my land and into my house! As a knee-jerk reaction, I chased them out with a brush and back to the moor, past the field where my horses were grazing. Couldn't find the owner but if I had, I would've wrapped the brush round his neck. A warning to the owners who let their dogs loose to maul children/horses/cats - make sure they're not on my land or I'ss shoot them (the dogs, that is!)
John, Haslingden says...
10:46am Mon 28 Apr 08
I heard the dogs attaking the pony and then the shootings some time later.
The dead dogs could be seen the next mornign in the field. They where massive. There was athird dog that was rounded up later, dont know if that was put down too. My view glad they where shot hope they kill the third and prosecute the owners.
The dead dogs could be seen the next mornign in the field. They where massive. There was athird dog that was rounded up later, dont know if that was put down too. My view glad they where shot hope they kill the third and prosecute the owners.
N, Blackburn says...
10:52am Mon 28 Apr 08
Why do all these people keep saying "it could have been a child" never mind about the "could have beens". At the end of the day this poor defenceless horse was set upon by these 2 beasts and must have suffered unimaginable pain. It knocked me sick yesterday when i heard this and being an animal lover it really upset me. I do feel sorry for the horses owner, if its not that the dogs were owned by the same person but also just spare a thought for the horse. Rip little fella.
NICOLA WHITE, BOLTON says...
11:05am Mon 28 Apr 08
AS A HORSE OWNER MYSELF I CANT IMAGINE HOW AWFULL THIS IS BUT IT ISNT THE DOGS FAULT DOGS ONLY ACT THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINED/UNTRAINED TO ACT THE OWNERS OF THE 2 DOGS SHOULD BE SHOT AND THE DOGS ARE BETTER OFF BEING SHOT AS MOST DOGS DONT WANT TO BE AGGRESSIVE ALL THERE LIVES BUT WHEN THEY ARENT TOLD ANY DIFFERENT THEY TURN NASTY AND ITS JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY ARE BIG DOGS.THE OWNERS SHOULD BE PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR 3 LIVES TAKEN AND NOT JUST A SLAP ON THE WRISTS OR A BANN OF KEEPING ANIMALS BECAUSE THIS IS NEVER CHECKED UP ON.SHOT THEM!!!
Mikey, Flitchester says...
11:29am Mon 28 Apr 08
I agree with Dan that they are ego extensions, in the same style of Paris Hilton. Most dog owners use them cause they are single and use to try and date other dog owners, some use them as surrogate children. Most are just like a posh sports car type ego boost. "look at me, I have a danagerous dog. I'm so cool and edgy". I also find it amazing that dog owners on here are defending this as "well all dogs are dangerous". If that's the case, they all need to go. RIP Horse.
christine, gt harwood says...
11:41am Mon 28 Apr 08
i am glad the dogs were shot and have to say if they had done that to my beloved horse i would have gladly done it myself.it is yet another example of people having dogs who are badly trained and out of control.i can not count the number of times dogs have come snapping at and chasing my horse as i have been out riding there are some very bad owners out there who need to get a grip and take some responsibility.
Ash, Haslingden says...
11:57am Mon 28 Apr 08
WAY!!!!!! UNLUCKY HORSE UNLUCKY DOGS.
Lyn, Halesowen says...
12:42pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Yes...I am going to defend the breed!
I have a wonderful Rotty **** who is unbelieveably loyal and loving.She has been trained to the enth degree and we have been told she is a credit to us and her kind.
She is however an extremely large, powerful animal and in the wrong hands I have no doubt that she could be extremely dangerous, I would hate to see the end of this lovely breed but think that it it now time to ensure that all who wish to own such breeds are vetted and licensed to ensure that they are responsible and competent to do so.
It's just a shame that the same kind of "justice" cannot be metered out to the "human" animals that attack defenceless horses.
I have a wonderful Rotty **** who is unbelieveably loyal and loving.She has been trained to the enth degree and we have been told she is a credit to us and her kind.
She is however an extremely large, powerful animal and in the wrong hands I have no doubt that she could be extremely dangerous, I would hate to see the end of this lovely breed but think that it it now time to ensure that all who wish to own such breeds are vetted and licensed to ensure that they are responsible and competent to do so.
It's just a shame that the same kind of "justice" cannot be metered out to the "human" animals that attack defenceless horses.
Carl, Burnley says...
1:17pm Mon 28 Apr 08
>It's just a shame that the same kind of "justice" cannot be metered out to the "human" animals that attack defenceless horses.<
Very true.
The sad fact is, horses are not defensless. They can cause a human or another animal serious damage if they so wished. The problem is it's not in their nature. They are beautiful trusting animals that only tend to protect the herd, not themselves.
The same cannot be said about dogs, which are just rumps of pure evil that are only "loving" to their owners cause that's where the food's coming from. Their nature is to kill and the sooner these dog owners wake up the better.
Very true.
The sad fact is, horses are not defensless. They can cause a human or another animal serious damage if they so wished. The problem is it's not in their nature. They are beautiful trusting animals that only tend to protect the herd, not themselves.
The same cannot be said about dogs, which are just rumps of pure evil that are only "loving" to their owners cause that's where the food's coming from. Their nature is to kill and the sooner these dog owners wake up the better.
caitrus, Blackburn says...
1:54pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Carl wrote:I am a dog owner, i am a responsible dog owner - DO NOT TIE US IN ALL WITH THE SAME BRUSH! I too have taken my dog to puppy classes, training classes and he has been very well socialised. My dog is also a big powerful dog and yes in the wrong hands could cause a lot of damage HOWEVER he has been fully trained and being a responsible owner i would never allow him no matter how much he has been trained to be alone with a child or an animal he's never seen before. ity's commen sense the people who own these dogs that have attacked obviously do not give the training, time and attention that dogs need.
>It\'s just a shame that the same kind of \"justice\" cannot be metered out to the \"human\" animals that attack defenceless horses.< Very true. The sad fact is, horses are not defensless. They can cause a human or another animal serious damage if they so wished. The problem is it\'s not in their nature. They are beautiful trusting animals that only tend to protect the herd, not themselves. The same cannot be said about dogs, which are just rumps of pure evil that are only \"loving\" to their owners cause that\'s where the food\'s coming from. Their nature is to kill and the sooner these dog owners wake up the better.
It is important for dogs to be socilaised with animals and smells of all kinds - somwethng i did as a responsible owner.
Do not ruin this lovely breed for those who are ressponsible and look after their pets, just because you have read of recent attacks - at least look into why these attacks have happened rather than being ignorant and just assuming it's the breed!
They aren't born human or english speaking so it's up to the owner to teach them wright from wrong. just as it is with a human baby - everyone's quick to point the finger and say it's not the child fault it's the parents fault - well it's the same with a pet of any kind it's up to the owner to teach them right from wrong and to train them!
You never hear of a dog trainers dog attacking someone do you - that's because they have been given the right training this prooving that these dogs and all dogs for that matter can be trained and very well behaved.
And yes there are people out there who have dogs as weapons BUT MOST OF US HAVE THEM BECAUSE WE LOVE THEM AND BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY GOOD COMPANIONS WITH LOTS OF LOVE TO GIVE! So please do not accuse me and others of wanting a dog because of it's status!
John, haslingden says...
2:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08
In responce to Catrus in Blackburn.
You say yourself that in the wrong hands your dog could cause a lot of damage. Therefore no matter how many classes etc that you and your dog attend if say as the attach above your dog escaped out of your control it would be a killer. These dogs are like lions, they are really wild animals that dog owners such as your self pretend they are in control. If your dog decided to it would turn on you in a second. Good luck you poor deluded sole
You say yourself that in the wrong hands your dog could cause a lot of damage. Therefore no matter how many classes etc that you and your dog attend if say as the attach above your dog escaped out of your control it would be a killer. These dogs are like lions, they are really wild animals that dog owners such as your self pretend they are in control. If your dog decided to it would turn on you in a second. Good luck you poor deluded sole
cath, heywood says...
2:13pm Mon 28 Apr 08
when i heard that a pony had been killed in lancashire my stomach turned over . i have 4 ponies living out all year round and i got too their field quickly . my relief was someone elses grief ! THESE DOGS DO NOT HAVE A PLACE IN OUR WORLD TODAY! THEY CAN BE AS HEAVY AS ADULTS BUT NO REASONING WHEN A BRAINSTORM ( A KILLING ONE} HAS TAKEN OVER i am also adog owner too!
John, Haslingden says...
2:26pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Well said Cath
This is what people like Caitrus dont understand, they think that because they have trained and educated there dogs that they are under control. These Rottweilers are not like normal pet dogs. Its like saying a tiger is the same as having a cat for a pet .In the US, the Rottweiler is the number two breed of dog named in fatal human attacks from 1979 to 1998 in a report by the CDC. Wake up dangerous dog owners you have a moral responsibility you share this world with other humans is it worth the risk just to keep these kind of dogs. Get married have kids and get with the real reason your on this planet
This is what people like Caitrus dont understand, they think that because they have trained and educated there dogs that they are under control. These Rottweilers are not like normal pet dogs. Its like saying a tiger is the same as having a cat for a pet .In the US, the Rottweiler is the number two breed of dog named in fatal human attacks from 1979 to 1998 in a report by the CDC. Wake up dangerous dog owners you have a moral responsibility you share this world with other humans is it worth the risk just to keep these kind of dogs. Get married have kids and get with the real reason your on this planet
tereaza, sheffield says...
2:33pm Mon 28 Apr 08
please stop blameing the dogs im not a lover of rotties but i know there are good well natured rotties out there
i used to own german shepards not fo an ego bost but becourse i just love that breed of dog and yes you can get shepards that are tempremental but thats why you should do your homework before geting any dog becourse it dose come through the parents not every dog that people have is to look big they just love the breed
BUT I HAVE SEEN AS I CALL THEM PEOPLE WHO DO THINK THEY ARE CLEVER AND HARD JUST BECOURSE THEY HAVE A PITBULL,ROTTIE,
SHEPPARD,STAFFIE, ETC
I HAD A GUIDEDOG SHE WAS A GREAT GUIDE FOR ME AND THEN I HAD SOME DRUGIES WHO THOGHT IT WOLD BE FUN TO SET THE DOG (PITBULL) ON HER WHILE SHE WAS WORKING (SICK PEOPLE) AND FOR
PEOPLE WITH EGO BOOST
THATS THEM JUST THINK OF THE PERSON THATS LOST THAIR LITTLE FREAIND HOW HARD IS THAT GOING TO BE!!
IJUST WISH THAT WE HAD MORE RESPONSIBLE
DOG OWNERS BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
i used to own german shepards not fo an ego bost but becourse i just love that breed of dog and yes you can get shepards that are tempremental but thats why you should do your homework before geting any dog becourse it dose come through the parents not every dog that people have is to look big they just love the breed
BUT I HAVE SEEN AS I CALL THEM PEOPLE WHO DO THINK THEY ARE CLEVER AND HARD JUST BECOURSE THEY HAVE A PITBULL,ROTTIE,
SHEPPARD,STAFFIE, ETC
I HAD A GUIDEDOG SHE WAS A GREAT GUIDE FOR ME AND THEN I HAD SOME DRUGIES WHO THOGHT IT WOLD BE FUN TO SET THE DOG (PITBULL) ON HER WHILE SHE WAS WORKING (SICK PEOPLE) AND FOR
PEOPLE WITH EGO BOOST
THATS THEM JUST THINK OF THE PERSON THATS LOST THAIR LITTLE FREAIND HOW HARD IS THAT GOING TO BE!!
IJUST WISH THAT WE HAD MORE RESPONSIBLE
DOG OWNERS BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
caitrus, Blackburn says...
2:47pm Mon 28 Apr 08
John wrote:OK - are your an expert are you??
Well said Cath This is what people like Caitrus dont understand, they think that because they have trained and educated there dogs that they are under control. These Rottweilers are not like normal pet dogs. Its like saying a tiger is the same as having a cat for a pet .In the US, the Rottweiler is the number two breed of dog named in fatal human attacks from 1979 to 1998 in a report by the CDC. Wake up dangerous dog owners you have a moral responsibility you share this world with other humans is it worth the risk just to keep these kind of dogs. Get married have kids and get with the real reason your on this planet
How dare you dismiss me as if i am one of these owners who does not take responsibility for their dogs!
Yes dogs are wild animals HOWEVER they have also adapted over many years, something which responsible breeders have put money and time into doing! How can you dismiss the fact that because a dog has training it will turn anyway! you obviously are NOT dog owners therefore are ignornant to the fact that dogs are very loyal and content in a pack - the family! Dogs are a decendant of wolves therefore live and do well in a pack - this pack has evolved from wolves to human families and if a dog knows it's place in the family ie bottom of the pack it will not try and take higher rank - provided the right training has been given.
I suggest you take yourself along to cruftf/dog shows and to a dog trainer and see first hand that dogs are very loving loyal and caring.
Who are you to say what i am saying does not count - you are not an expert and neither am i but let me assure you i had spent the last 3 years training my dog with time, effort and money so DO NOT tie me as one of those dog owners who used my dog as a tool or that i'm an irresponsible dog owner. How dare you.
Yes i said that my dog would never be left with a child BECAUSE IT IS RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP! I WOULD NEVER LEAVE MY DOG WITH A CHILD EVEN IF A HAD A YORKSHIRE TERRIER OR A LITTLE ITY BITY DOG BECAUSE I AM A RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER and it is common sense.
You obviously are not dog owners yourself and i presume have never been because you are being very ignorant to the facts.
caitrus, Blackburn says...
2:53pm Mon 28 Apr 08
John wrote:And who are you to say go and get married and have children - you have become personal when there really is no need - please stay on topic!
Well said Cath This is what people like Caitrus dont understand, they think that because they have trained and educated there dogs that they are under control. These Rottweilers are not like normal pet dogs. Its like saying a tiger is the same as having a cat for a pet .In the US, the Rottweiler is the number two breed of dog named in fatal human attacks from 1979 to 1998 in a report by the CDC. Wake up dangerous dog owners you have a moral responsibility you share this world with other humans is it worth the risk just to keep these kind of dogs. Get married have kids and get with the real reason your on this planet
tereaza, sheffield says...
3:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08
caitrus arnet people narrow minded you tell them its responsible dog owners like you
i need more of when im out with my guidedog
i know there are some very good dog owners and your one of them people should not steriotype everyone!!
i need more of when im out with my guidedog
i know there are some very good dog owners and your one of them people should not steriotype everyone!!
john, Haslingden says...
3:10pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Hey calm down a bit there Caitrus, Iam not saying that you are not a responsible dog owner. Indeed I respect the fact that you have put the time and effort in to training your dog properly. However the fact remains that temperament wise the Rotty is a dangerous dog. I have kept one myself about 5 years ago for about 3 years. I got rid of it when he bit me on the arm. It was not that bad but the speed with which it turned on me was really scary. I had trained it properly and indeed it came from a good bloodline. Iam just saying that you should be really careful with them. I wish you well with your choice to keep the dogs, just dont loose sight that they are really dangerous.
cath, heywood says...
3:17pm Mon 28 Apr 08
a very long long time ago the domestic dog of today was as you say awolf in a pack an alpha is always needed to curb these very aggressive dogs. in your comments caitrus you do not put another adult as an alpha .but instead say that your own dog that has had 3 years of training could be dangerous in a situation. hope you know that you have apotential killer at your feet
Simon, London says...
3:21pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I'm disgusted by the dog owners on here speaking about "if they are trained right they are affectionate." That's because you're feeding them.
I am absolutely convinced that it is an ego trip for these dog owners and they'd have pet crocodiles if they had their way.
I am absolutely convinced that it is an ego trip for these dog owners and they'd have pet crocodiles if they had their way.
tereaza, sheffield says...
3:26pm Mon 28 Apr 08
point taken i just get a little pashanette
Sally, Knuzden says...
3:34pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I am a responsible dog owner and previously have had ponies too. I feel shocked and horrified about this attack and my stomach churns to think of the fear, pain and suffering that poor pony must of gone through. But has no one spared a thought for it's owner? Somewhere there might be a small child who is devastated at the loss of their much loved companion. Any dog when allowed to roam as a pack will demonstrate pack instincts and unfortunately this is what has happened. Lets not hang draw and quarter the breed or the owners until the complete facts are known.
Fran Polson, Manchester says...
3:35pm Mon 28 Apr 08
"I love horses, best of all the animals. I love horses, they're my friends."
"I hate doggies, worst of all the animals. I hate doggies, their breath smells."
"I hate doggies, worst of all the animals. I hate doggies, their breath smells."
cath, heywood says...
4:02pm Mon 28 Apr 08
the facts are here 1 pony put through complete torture and died throuh injury 2 dogs shot which means 2 less killers away from defenceless victims
caitrus, blackburn says...
4:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08
cath wrote:Cath, just to let you know i have a boxer dog. I stand by my comments as you do yours.
a very long long time ago the domestic dog of today was as you say awolf in a pack an alpha is always needed to curb these very aggressive dogs. in your comments caitrus you do not put another adult as an alpha .but instead say that your own dog that has had 3 years of training could be dangerous in a situation. hope you know that you have apotential killer at your feet
ALL dogs have the potential to be dangerous if they're not treated well and trained well, no matter of their size.
My dog has (as i have already explained) been very well socilaised and introduced to lots of animals, children and adults, he has passed all of his training courses with flying colours and i am proud of myself for being a good dog owner. So i can rest assured that my dog is not dangerous and i will sleep well at night knowing that.
As for Simon in London - your entitled to your opinion but i will speak for myself and say i have my dog for love NOT BECAUSE he's a tool! i cannot stand people who use dogs/animals as tools so please as i have already said do not tie us all in with the same brush!
Dave, Darwen says...
4:25pm Mon 28 Apr 08
As has been said all the facts need to be known before making any judgement on this story, the dogs escaped from a "secure compound". That tells me these dogs were used as guard dogs, otherwise they would have been inside the owners home. dogs of any breed trained to be guard dogs are subject to special controls that it would appear have not been followed as they have been trained to be aggressive, breed is irrelevant in this situation.
the police are still investigating and I imagine there is a lot more to this story than has been published so far.
and for the record, I own a rescued Rottweiler that is in no way a status symbol, I am married and have children. The dog is well trained and still being further trained, it is never allowed off-lead in a public place, not because I don't trust him, but because I don't trust everyone else, like the child that came running across the road screaming at the dog, and wondered why I told him to stop being so stupid and then threw stones at us as they ran off.
I fully agree that owners of any dog should have to prove they are suitable to own a dog, and there should be proof of ongoing training until a final test of control has been passed. and tighter controls on breeders to weed out the "back yard breeders" and "puppy farms" should also happen.
anyone who thiks all rottweilers are vicious should look up the breed standard with the kennel club, it clearly states they should not be aggressive, so bad breeding and bad owners must be the problem
the police are still investigating and I imagine there is a lot more to this story than has been published so far.
and for the record, I own a rescued Rottweiler that is in no way a status symbol, I am married and have children. The dog is well trained and still being further trained, it is never allowed off-lead in a public place, not because I don't trust him, but because I don't trust everyone else, like the child that came running across the road screaming at the dog, and wondered why I told him to stop being so stupid and then threw stones at us as they ran off.
I fully agree that owners of any dog should have to prove they are suitable to own a dog, and there should be proof of ongoing training until a final test of control has been passed. and tighter controls on breeders to weed out the "back yard breeders" and "puppy farms" should also happen.
anyone who thiks all rottweilers are vicious should look up the breed standard with the kennel club, it clearly states they should not be aggressive, so bad breeding and bad owners must be the problem
Rich, Blackpool says...
5:16pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I'm sure there are responsible owners, as there are for lions and other dangerous animals. But this does not take away the fact that they are even capable of killing a horse!
I highly doubt the horse provoked them. More so he'll of likely been trying to befriend them as horses do (that is why horses walk over to you in a field). Shows what kinda of mentality these dogs have.
I highly doubt the horse provoked them. More so he'll of likely been trying to befriend them as horses do (that is why horses walk over to you in a field). Shows what kinda of mentality these dogs have.
vanessa, haslingden says...
5:19pm Mon 28 Apr 08
hi all, this was my little girls pony which was born on the same day has her making them both 6 years old, im just glad it was in the night when it happened and not when she could of been up there feeding it, its a shame for the dogs that they have fallen into the wrong hands of someone that does not notice when they having gone missing and have been brought up in this way... my point of view is they need punishing for the way the dogs have turned on what was a well loved pet....
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Maggie, Leeds says...
5:45pm Mon 28 Apr 08
my thoughts too are with the owners of the poor pony.. i truly hope the owners of the dogs are found and dealt with appropriately.. the dogs should not have been allowed to escape and roam freely in the first place.. regardless of breed. i have known some brilliant rotties in my time, but they aren't a breed for the faint hearted and require an experienced handler. Incapable ownership and thoughtless breeding give this breed a bad name.
Walter Halow, Manchester says...
5:50pm Mon 28 Apr 08
If that is a geniune post, Vanessa, I'm a bit disturbed you would class your horse as an "it". As a horse owner, that does not sit well with me at all!
shona, stirling says...
6:00pm Mon 28 Apr 08
As the owner of four rottweilers, I have to say,,, they are nice in the right homes, they are not pets for joe soap, I also own horses, my lot are great around the horses,,and other animals that live on the farm, so I guess YOU GET WHAT YOU REAR, I think all rotties should be chipped so they can be traced to the owners, then the owner can be held responsible for any damage done, I would far rather people be licenced to keep large breed dogs, as chipping alone is not enough,, the damage is done by then, but at least someone is held responsible, in my view anyone can by a rottie {from some breeders} but few have the time, comitment and knowlage to train or own them,
jackie, Redcar says...
6:09pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Firstly, this was a terrible thing to happen and I feel desperately sorry for the owners of the pony. I am a dog owner and a responsible one. No I do not own a Rottweiler but do know a number of people who do. Comparing them to lions is absolutely insane and I can't believe many of the posts on here. It's the equivalent of 'burn the witch'. 'Blame the deed, not the breed'. Ring any bells people?
Gina, Bradford says...
6:10pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Simon wrote:well could you explain how hundreds of rottweilers were exhibited at Crufts this year in the same hall? also with the *GASP* general public walking alongide them, petting them? these are well balanced dogs handled by experienced people who have given them a good level of training.
I'm disgusted by the dog owners on here speaking about "if they are trained right they are affectionate." That's because you're feeding them.
I am absolutely convinced that it is an ego trip for these dog owners and they'd have pet crocodiles if they had their way.
Your comment makes little sense to me. if you feed a wolf it's not going to be automatically affectionate. dogs can be trained tho exhibit wanted characteristics, and along with good handling, they are very affectionate dogs. not merely because you shove some pedigree chum in front of them every day. Also, this breed seem to have been adopted by the chavvy asbo lot who use them to impress their mates. This creates demand for these dogs which, as a reputable breeder would not supply rotties to these kind of people, is met by puppy farmers and those who breed unsuitable dogs together just for money. Also, some of these people breed from dogs with aggressive traits which is deemed useful by some idiotic chavs with small penises and some idiots who merely want a dog to guard their crappy house/business.
Dave Main, Leeds says...
4:37pm Sun 27 Apr 08