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HOT cross buns were off the menu for hospital patients this Easter after bosses decided they were not essential for diet and recovery.
The fruit and spice treats which cost just 20p each would have taken a £320 bite out of the catering budget to provide one for each patient.
The Easter snacks have been served for many years at Burnley General Hospital, and were introduced three years ago at the Royal Blackburn Hospital.
Burnley Council leader Coun Gordon Birtwistle condemned the decision as "pathetic", but patients and church leaders said they were unconcerned by the change.
Coun Birtwistle said: "It's mean and pathetic and unfortunately it's the way that the hospitals work in this area.
"When you are in hospital and you are feeling ill and depressed then something as simple as a cup of tea and a hot cross bun at Easter reminds you what's going on in the world and really cheers you up."
Director of facilities and estates for East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust Chris Hodgson, said the catering budget was used to purchase healthy, quality food, capable
of providing the correct nutrition to help patients recover from illnesses and operations.
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He explained: "Many factors are taken into account when deciding what food to provide. We look at nutritional value and value for money.
"Hot cross buns are not seen as an essential part of a patient's diet and therefore the decision was taken not to include them but instead continue to provide the high-quality menu as we do all through the year."
John Amos, chairman of the trust's public and patient involvement forum, agreed, saying: "To me, hot cross buns don't have a particular Easter message any more, because you can buy them all year round.
"I would not think it would make a lot of difference to patients."
The Bishop of Burnley the Rt Rev John Goddard added: "Patients look to the trust to make sure there is the highest level of medical and pastoral care.
"If hot cross buns have to be cut out of the catering budget in order to make sure we have a proper pastoral and chaplaincy service, then so be it."
6:24pm Friday 28th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Alice Nutter, Pendle Hill on 6:37pm Fri 28 Mar 08
God, the lunatics are running the asylum!
God, the lunatics are running the asylum!
Posted by: speakup shaun, burnley on 6:43pm Fri 28 Mar 08
What next no xmas dinner as it doesnt aid recovery ?...
What next no xmas dinner as it doesnt aid recovery ?...
Posted by: Sue, B/Burn on 6:52pm Fri 28 Mar 08
MRSA is not on ones list of requirements but plenty get it!
MRSA is not on ones list of requirements but plenty get it!
Posted by: queens park resident, blackburn on 7:39pm Fri 28 Mar 08
what was the problem with just calling it a spiced fruit teacake .or is that to difficult for people on £100000 a year to work out.it was done so the minority would not be offended like always.in a few years when i am a minority in my own town pehaps we will get them served then.
what was the problem with just calling it a spiced fruit teacake .or is that to difficult for people on £100000 a year to work out.it was done so the minority would not be offended like always.in a few years when i am a minority in my own town pehaps we will get them served then.
Posted by: ray mcdonald, burnley on 7:43pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I do not doubt that the people responsible for cutting out the Hot-X buns believe every word of their reasoning,and that worries me.
I do not doubt that the people responsible for cutting out the Hot-X buns believe every word of their reasoning,and that worries me.
Posted by: Bob, Burnley on 7:47pm Fri 28 Mar 08
"continue to provide the high-quality menu as we do all through the year."
Which menu is this then?
"continue to provide the high-quality menu as we do all through the year."
Which menu is this then?
Posted by: jcb on 7:54pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I think that a major reason for the demise of this once great country is that we can not produce managers who have a modicum of common sense. People in management positions these days seem to be promoted to the level of their incompetence.
I think that a major reason for the demise of this once great country is that we can not produce managers who have a modicum of common sense. People in management positions these days seem to be promoted to the level of their incompetence.
Posted by: queens park resident, blackburn on 8:12pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jcb[/bold] wrote:
I think that a major reason for the demise of this once great country is that we can not produce managers who have a modicum of common sense. People in management positions these days seem to be promoted to the level of their incompetence.[/quote] on very good money for doing very little
jcb wrote:
I think that a major reason for the demise of this once great country is that we can not produce managers who have a modicum of common sense. People in management positions these days seem to be promoted to the level of their incompetence.
on very good money for doing very little
Posted by: frogmundus, the pond on 10:48pm Fri 28 Mar 08
£320 ..what mean minded folk are running the asylum now ... theyll abolish food next ..but not their own exorbitant wages
£320 ..what mean minded folk are running the asylum now ... theyll abolish food next ..but not their own exorbitant wages
Posted by: vikingpower, blackburn on 8:07am Sat 29 Mar 08
i bet they can afford widescreen televisions for the staffrooms
i bet they can afford widescreen televisions for the staffrooms
Posted by: Blondie on 9:28am Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote][bold]speakup shaun[/bold] wrote:
What next no xmas dinner as it doesnt aid recovery ?...[/quote] A traditional dinner is the same as a Christmas dinner which is eaten throughout the year.
Basically poultry and veg.
[bold][quote]Church leaders said they were unconcerned by the change.[/quote][/bold]
The church isn't bothered so why should Coun Birtwistle or anyone else?
Anyone visiting could take a hot cross bun in with them so it is no big deal.
What a lot of hoorah over a bun.
It might be a reminder of Easter but as Christians how many actually respect the real meaning of Easter and celebrate it as a true Christian?
I wonder was the hospital chapel bursting at the seems with Christian patients paying their respects?
Doubt it.
speakup shaun wrote:
What next no xmas dinner as it doesnt aid recovery ?...
A traditional dinner is the same as a Christmas dinner which is eaten throughout the year.
Basically poultry and veg.
Church leaders said they were unconcerned by the change.
The church isn't bothered so why should Coun Birtwistle or anyone else?
Anyone visiting could take a hot cross bun in with them so it is no big deal.
What a lot of hoorah over a bun.
It might be a reminder of Easter but as Christians how many actually respect the real meaning of Easter and celebrate it as a true Christian?
I wonder was the hospital chapel bursting at the seems with Christian patients paying their respects?
Doubt it.
Posted by: dave, burnley on 9:37am Sat 29 Mar 08
No doubt that £320 saved will be spent on a nice lunch for the managers when they have their next meeting to look at cutbacks.
No doubt that £320 saved will be spent on a nice lunch for the managers when they have their next meeting to look at cutbacks.
Posted by: Pendlereader, Pendle on 11:25am Sat 29 Mar 08
So the politically correct brigade have found their way onto the trust board?
The hospital trust board have just been granted £44 million to spend on Burnley hospital yet they are cutting back £320 off the budget? Now that really does take the biscuit (sorry bun).
Step 1) A local catering firm should provide the [bold]NUTRICIOUS[/bold] buns.
Step 2) Remove the existing heartless and insensitive trust board and replace it with a compassionate and caring one.
Step 3) Return the A&E to Burnley Hospital where it belongs.
Oh and John Amos, you DON'T represent the patients on this issue so stop trying to justify such pitiful cutbacks!
So the politically correct brigade have found their way onto the trust board?
The hospital trust board have just been granted £44 million to spend on Burnley hospital yet they are cutting back £320 off the budget? Now that really does take the biscuit (sorry bun).
Step 1) A local catering firm should provide the
NUTRICIOUS buns.
Step 2) Remove the existing heartless and insensitive trust board and replace it with a compassionate and caring one.
Step 3) Return the A&E to Burnley Hospital where it belongs.
Oh and John Amos, you DON'T represent the patients on this issue so stop trying to justify such pitiful cutbacks!
Posted by: YAS, BLACKBURN on 12:51pm Sat 29 Mar 08
HOT CROSS BUNS ARE NASTY!!! SO WITHDRAWING THEM **WILL** SPEED UP RECOVERY IN MY OPINION
HOT CROSS BUNS ARE NASTY!!! SO WITHDRAWING THEM **WILL** SPEED UP RECOVERY IN MY OPINION
Posted by: fran, East Lancs on 1:11pm Sat 29 Mar 08
[bold]Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............[/bold]
I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you !
Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............
I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you !
Posted by: ray mcdonald, burnley on 1:31pm Sat 29 Mar 08
@blondie,
There is a psychological benefit as well as a nutritional benefit to eating.
<<A traditional dinner is the same as a Christmas dinner which is eaten throughout the year.
Basically poultry and veg. >>
Following your logic,a painting is simply a piece of canvas with coloured oils splashed on it,ie the Mona Lisa...et al.
Your views ( and those of Chris Hodgson ),are the views of a philistine.
@blondie,
There is a psychological benefit as well as a nutritional benefit to eating.
<<A traditional dinner is the same as a Christmas dinner which is eaten throughout the year.
Basically poultry and veg. >>
Following your logic,a painting is simply a piece of canvas with coloured oils splashed on it,ie the Mona Lisa...et al.
Your views ( and those of Chris Hodgson ),are the views of a philistine.
Posted by: Paul, darwen on 6:05pm Sat 29 Mar 08
it must be the end of the world no hot cross buns.last time i was in hospital i came home with an infection needed antibiotics, just wanted to get better didn't give a stuff about hot cross buns.
it must be the end of the world no hot cross buns.last time i was in hospital i came home with an infection needed antibiotics, just wanted to get better didn't give a stuff about hot cross buns.
Posted by: Albert, Padiham on 10:02pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Blackburn hospital trust spent almost £500 to change a lock, but they won't spend a measly £320 to feed their patients?
PATHETIC!
AND, if the buns are not essential for diet [bold]why did the Food Standards Agency in 2002 state hot cross buns are a healthy choice![/bold]
[bold]WEBLINK: Blackburn hospital pay £500 for a lock.[/bold] http://www.guardian.
co.uk/politics/2008/
jan/17/uk.Whitehall
[bold]WEBLINK: Food Standards Agency
Survey shows hot cross buns are healthy choice for Easter treat[/bold]
http://www.food.gov.
uk/news/newsarchive/
2002/mar/hotcrossbun
s
Blackburn hospital trust spent almost £500 to change a lock, but they won't spend a measly £320 to feed their patients?
PATHETIC!
AND, if the buns are not essential for diet
why did the Food Standards Agency in 2002 state hot cross buns are a healthy choice!
WEBLINK: Blackburn hospital pay £500 for a lock. http://www.guardian.
co.uk/politics/2008/
jan/17/uk.Whitehall
WEBLINK: Food Standards Agency
Survey shows hot cross buns are healthy choice for Easter treat
http://www.food.gov.
uk/news/newsarchive/
2002/mar/hotcrossbun
s
Posted by: vikingpower, blackburn on 8:38am Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]fran[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............[/bold] I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you ![/quote] I hope you are prepared to lose a large amount you patronizing individual.Recently my two year old nephew was taken into Blackburn general and my sister and her husband had to go out and buy food for him because apparently the chef needed three days notice to prepare a gluten free meal!what kind of service is that?
fran wrote:
Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............ I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you !
I hope you are prepared to lose a large amount you patronizing individual.Recently my two year old nephew was taken into Blackburn general and my sister and her husband had to go out and buy food for him because apparently the chef needed three days notice to prepare a gluten free meal!what kind of service is that?
Posted by: paul, darwen on 9:51am Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]vikingpower[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]fran[/bold] wrote: [bold]Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............[/bold] I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you ![/quote] I hope you are prepared to lose a large amount you patronizing individual.Recently my two year old nephew was taken into Blackburn general and my sister and her husband had to go out and buy food for him because apparently the chef needed three days notice to prepare a gluten free meal!what kind of service is that?[/quote] now thats a totaly different situation,individual diets should be catered for you don't expect to come home in a worst state then when you went in.me personaly would rather have the hotcross bun than the pastoral care.
vikingpower wrote:
fran wrote: Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............ I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you !
I hope you are prepared to lose a large amount you patronizing individual.Recently my two year old nephew was taken into Blackburn general and my sister and her husband had to go out and buy food for him because apparently the chef needed three days notice to prepare a gluten free meal!what kind of service is that?
now thats a totaly different situation,individual diets should be catered for you don't expect to come home in a worst state then when you went in.me personaly would rather have the hotcross bun than the pastoral care.
Posted by: Blondie on 10:44am Sun 30 Mar 08
[bold][quote]Your views ( and those of Chris Hodgson ),are the views of a philistine.[/quote][/bold]
LOL.
Fran you are so right in your quote.
[bold][quote]I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun.[/quote][/bold]
I wonder if Ray is a heathen?
Your views ( and those of Chris Hodgson ),are the views of a philistine.
LOL.
Fran you are so right in your quote.
I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun.
I wonder if Ray is a heathen?
Posted by: Blondie on 10:54am Sun 30 Mar 08
If religious patients can't get hot cross buns via the catering department then pastoral care would be paramount to their belief in celebrating this religious festival.
If religious patients can't get hot cross buns via the catering department then pastoral care would be paramount to their belief in celebrating this religious festival.
Posted by: fran, East Lancs on 11:14am Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]vikingpower[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]fran[/bold] wrote: [bold]Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............[/bold] I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you ![/quote] I hope you are prepared to lose a large amount you patronizing individual.Recently my two year old nephew was taken into Blackburn general and my sister and her husband had to go out and buy food for him because apparently the chef needed three days notice to prepare a gluten free meal!what kind of service is that?[/quote] [bold]vikingpower......thi
nk you are a bit off topic with this[/bold] ,but they do cater for gluten free patients lots of them on a daily basis.
vikingpower wrote:
fran wrote: Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............ I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you !
I hope you are prepared to lose a large amount you patronizing individual.Recently my two year old nephew was taken into Blackburn general and my sister and her husband had to go out and buy food for him because apparently the chef needed three days notice to prepare a gluten free meal!what kind of service is that?
vikingpower......thi
nk you are a bit off topic with this ,but they do cater for gluten free patients lots of them on a daily basis.
Posted by: dorothy Lord, Colne on 1:37pm Sun 30 Mar 08
How does the old saying go-A little of what you fancy does you good.
How does the old saying go-A little of what you fancy does you good.
Posted by: vikingpower, blackburn on 2:53pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]fran[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]vikingpower[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]fran[/bold] wrote: [bold]Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............[/bold] I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you ![/quote] I hope you are prepared to lose a large amount you patronizing individual.Recently my two year old nephew was taken into Blackburn general and my sister and her husband had to go out and buy food for him because apparently the chef needed three days notice to prepare a gluten free meal!what kind of service is that?[/quote] [bold]vikingpower......thi nk you are a bit off topic with this[/bold] ,but they do cater for gluten free patients lots of them on a daily basis. [/quote] well you tell that to the people in charge of the ward my nephew was on,i mean how can you be expected to give three days notice when you dont expect to be there in the first place?
fran wrote:
vikingpower wrote: fran wrote: Dont think the fact that patient did not get a hot cross bun will make any difference to how quickly a patient recovers ,now if it was one dose of medication per day that was withdrawn that is a different story............ I would put money on the table that most of you that have commented on this story do not even know the significance of a hot cross bun,and i bet all the patients did not get an easter egg each but you are not bleating about that are you !
I hope you are prepared to lose a large amount you patronizing individual.Recently my two year old nephew was taken into Blackburn general and my sister and her husband had to go out and buy food for him because apparently the chef needed three days notice to prepare a gluten free meal!what kind of service is that?
vikingpower......thi nk you are a bit off topic with this ,but they do cater for gluten free patients lots of them on a daily basis.
well you tell that to the people in charge of the ward my nephew was on,i mean how can you be expected to give three days notice when you dont expect to be there in the first place?
Posted by: vikingpower, blackburn on 2:59pm Sun 30 Mar 08
And what about the wager?
And what about the wager?
Posted by: The Worker on 3:37pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]dorothy Lord[/bold] wrote:
How does the old saying go-A little of what you fancy does you good.[/quote] Yes but not at the hospital's expense and more so for a religious occassion.
I agree with Fran and Blondie.
dorothy Lord wrote:
How does the old saying go-A little of what you fancy does you good.
Yes but not at the hospital's expense and more so for a religious occassion.
I agree with Fran and Blondie.
Posted by: The Worker on 3:41pm Sun 30 Mar 08
vikingpower,
I hope you or your family complained in writing.
vikingpower,
I hope you or your family complained in writing.
Posted by: ray mcdonald, burnley on 4:34pm Sun 30 Mar 08
@blondie:-LOL,...you consider that a reasoned response!
You may wonder all you want regarding whether I am a heathen,or anything else for that matter.Why you would consider this relevant eludes me.
As nobody has posted any info on the subject in hand,this is part of the Wiki entry:-
<<History
In many historically Christian countries, buns are traditionally eaten on Good Friday, with the cross standing as a symbol of the crucifixion. They are believed by some to pre-date Christianity, although the first recorded use of the term "hot cross bun" is not until 1733[2]; it is claimed (no source found) that buns marked with a cross were eaten by Saxons in honour of the goddess Eostre (the cross is thought to have symbolized the four quarters of the moon)[3]; 'Eostre' is probably the origin of the name 'Easter'[4]. Others claim that the Greeks marked cakes with a cross, much earlier[5]. Cakes were certainly baked in honour of deities since very ancient times[6], although it is not known if they were marked.
According to cookery writer Elizabeth David, Protestant English monarchs saw the buns as a dangerous hold-over of Catholic belief in England, being baked from the dough used in making the communion wafer. Protestant England attempted to ban the sale of the buns by bakers but they were too popular, and instead Elizabeth I passed a law permitting bakeries to sell them, but only at Easter and Christmas. David provides no source for this assertion.>>
Apparently not quite so clear cut,as belonging to a particular faith,heathen or otherwise.
I regard it as a British tradition,which is already in place,and should continue.
@blondie:-LOL,...you consider that a reasoned response!
You may wonder all you want regarding whether I am a heathen,or anything else for that matter.Why you would consider this relevant eludes me.
As nobody has posted any info on the subject in hand,this is part of the Wiki entry:-
<<History
In many historically Christian countries, buns are traditionally eaten on Good Friday, with the cross standing as a symbol of the crucifixion. They are believed by some to pre-date Christianity, although the first recorded use of the term "hot cross bun" is not until 1733; it is claimed (no source found) that buns marked with a cross were eaten by Saxons in honour of the goddess Eostre (the cross is thought to have symbolized the four quarters of the moon); 'Eostre' is probably the origin of the name 'Easter'. Others claim that the Greeks marked cakes with a cross, much earlier. Cakes were certainly baked in honour of deities since very ancient times, although it is not known if they were marked.
According to cookery writer Elizabeth David, Protestant English monarchs saw the buns as a dangerous hold-over of Catholic belief in England, being baked from the dough used in making the communion wafer. Protestant England attempted to ban the sale of the buns by bakers but they were too popular, and instead Elizabeth I passed a law permitting bakeries to sell them, but only at Easter and Christmas. David provides no source for this assertion.>>
Apparently not quite so clear cut,as belonging to a particular faith,heathen or otherwise.
I regard it as a British tradition,which is already in place,and should continue.
Posted by: Blondie on 5:23pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote]You may wonder all you want regarding whether I am a heathen[/quote]
LOL.
Like i am a philstine.LOL.
British tradition? No. Religious tradition? Yes.
You may wonder all you want regarding whether I am a heathen
LOL.
Like i am a philstine.LOL.
British tradition? No. Religious tradition? Yes.
Posted by: ray mcdonald, burnley on 5:36pm Sun 30 Mar 08
@blondie...LOL...tou
che
British tradition? yes, Religious tradition? yes.
Easter is a state public holiday for all,regardless of faith.Many more Hot X Buns are eaten,than there are church attendees.
@blondie...LOL...tou
che
British tradition? yes, Religious tradition? yes.
Easter is a state public holiday for all,regardless of faith.Many more Hot X Buns are eaten,than there are church attendees.
Posted by: Blondie on 6:32pm Sun 30 Mar 08
The christian festival is celebrated at Easter and that is why we have a public holiday.
Did the patients get pancakes on Shrove Tuesday?
Another religious tradition.
The christian festival is celebrated at Easter and that is why we have a public holiday.
Did the patients get pancakes on Shrove Tuesday?
Another religious tradition.
Posted by: ray mcdonald, burnley on 8:06pm Sun 30 Mar 08
<<The christian festival is celebrated at Easter and that is why we have a public holiday. >>
You have a public holiday because the state declares one.The Established Church cannot declare a holiday in its own right.That the state declares one at the behest of the Church,does not alter the fact that the holiday is for all,and only the state can grant it.
Don't tell me they've cut out pancakes as well !!
Pancakes on Shrove Tuesday have no religious significance and are not a religious tradition:-
They do however,have an historical and traditional aspect.
Wiki:-<<Main article: Shrove Tuesday
In Canada,[4] the United Kingdom,[5] Ireland,[6] and Australia,[7] pancakes are traditionally eaten on Shrove Tuesday, which is also known as "Pancake Day" and, particularly in Ireland, as "Pancake Tuesday". (Shrove Tuesday is better known in the United States, France and other countries as Mardi Gras or Fat Tuesday.) Historically, pancakes were made on Shrove Tuesday so that the last of the fatty and rich foods could be used up before Lent.>>
I would point out that I have not argued for the retention of Hot X Buns on religious grounds,as I regarded the religious aspect as weak (as does the Bishop apparently).
I have argued on traditional grounds and psychological grounds,as I see this as beneficial to the patient.Familiar things give a feeling of security and normalcy.
<<The christian festival is celebrated at Easter and that is why we have a public holiday. >>
You have a public holiday because the state declares one.The Established Church cannot declare a holiday in its own right.That the state declares one at the behest of the Church,does not alter the fact that the holiday is for all,and only the state can grant it.
Don't tell me they've cut out pancakes as well !!
Pancakes on Shrove Tuesday have no religious significance and are not a religious tradition:-
They do however,have an historical and traditional aspect.
Wiki:-<<Main article: Shrove Tuesday
In Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Australia, pancakes are traditionally eaten on Shrove Tuesday, which is also known as "Pancake Day" and, particularly in Ireland, as "Pancake Tuesday". (Shrove Tuesday is better known in the United States, France and other countries as Mardi Gras or Fat Tuesday.) Historically, pancakes were made on Shrove Tuesday so that the last of the fatty and rich foods could be used up before Lent.>>
I would point out that I have not argued for the retention of Hot X Buns on religious grounds,as I regarded the religious aspect as weak (as does the Bishop apparently).
I have argued on traditional grounds and psychological grounds,as I see this as beneficial to the patient.Familiar things give a feeling of security and normalcy.
Posted by: ray mcdonald, burnley on 8:30pm Sun 30 Mar 08
@vikingpower.
Your post reminded me of several stays in hospital(not in Burnley) where my meals had already been ordered for the next two days by the previous patient.I oredered my meals,which then started 3 days hence.
As I have no special food requirements,this was not a problem.But if I had,it would not have been a problem to accomodate them.I think that there was a lack of communication/knowle
dge by the ward sister.
A quiet word with a doctor would probably have sorted this out sharpish.
@vikingpower.
Your post reminded me of several stays in hospital(not in Burnley) where my meals had already been ordered for the next two days by the previous patient.I oredered my meals,which then started 3 days hence.
As I have no special food requirements,this was not a problem.But if I had,it would not have been a problem to accomodate them.I think that there was a lack of communication/knowle
dge by the ward sister.
A quiet word with a doctor would probably have sorted this out sharpish.
Posted by: John, Burnley on 10:41pm Sun 30 Mar 08
Not on the subject of hot x buns I know, but I think still relevant. Whilst in Burnley General some years ago I innocently ticked one of the halal meals as I fancied a curry and they looked good. I was refused - these meals were provided 'for religious reasons' I was told. My understanding of 'halal' is it is prepared in a certain way adhering to the Koran but I argued that it shouldn't preclude me eating the meat.
I eventually succeeded by discussing it with an asian chap on the ward who could order 'english' meals. I ordered 'english' he ordered halal and we swapped.
The following week I used the name Hamad on my tick sheet and received the curry I wanted !
The hot x bun issue is merely another example of manager's incompetence and idiotic rules which have very little to do with the welfare of patients.
Not on the subject of hot x buns I know, but I think still relevant. Whilst in Burnley General some years ago I innocently ticked one of the halal meals as I fancied a curry and they looked good. I was refused - these meals were provided 'for religious reasons' I was told. My understanding of 'halal' is it is prepared in a certain way adhering to the Koran but I argued that it shouldn't preclude me eating the meat.
I eventually succeeded by discussing it with an asian chap on the ward who could order 'english' meals. I ordered 'english' he ordered halal and we swapped.
The following week I used the name Hamad on my tick sheet and received the curry I wanted !
The hot x bun issue is merely another example of manager's incompetence and idiotic rules which have very little to do with the welfare of patients.
Posted by: vikingpower, blackburn on 6:30am Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]The Worker[/bold] wrote:
vikingpower, I hope you or your family complained in writing.[/quote] That goes without saying!
The Worker wrote:
vikingpower, I hope you or your family complained in writing.
That goes without saying!
Posted by: Blondie on 9:43am Mon 31 Mar 08
Shrove Tuesday is a religious celebration but sadly some folk don't know the religous story of how it came to be.
Pancakes ©
Shrove Tuesday is the day before Lent starts: the Tuesday before Ash Wednesday. It's a day of penitence, to clean the soul, and a day of celebration as the last chance to feast before Lent begins.
Shrove Tuesday is sometimes called Pancake Day after the fried batter recipe traditionally eaten on this day.
But there's more to Shrove Tuesday than pigging out on pancakes or taking part in a public pancake race. The pancakes themselves are part of an ancient custom with deeply religious roots.
Penitence
Shrove Tuesday gets its name from the ritual of shriving that Christians used to undergo in the past. In shriving, a person confesses their sins and receives absolution for them.
When a person receives absolution for their sins, they are forgiven for them and released from the guilt and pain that they have caused them.
In the Catholic or Orthodox context, the absolution is pronounced by a priest.
This tradition is very old. Over 1000 years ago a monk wrote in the Anglo-Saxon Ecclesiastical Institutes:
In the week immediately before Lent everyone shall go to his confessor and confess his deeds and the confessor shall so shrive him.
Anglo-Saxon Ecclesiastical Institutes
Shrove Tuesday celebrations
Shrove Tuesday is a day of celebration as well as penitence, because it's the last day before Lent.
Lent is a time of abstinence, of giving things up. So Shrove Tuesday is the last chance to indulge yourself, and to use up the foods that aren't allowed in Lent.
Giving up foods: but not wasting them
During Lent there are many foods that some Christians - historically and today - would not eat: foods such as meat and fish, fats, eggs, and milky foods.
So that no food was wasted, families would have a feast on the shriving Tuesday, and eat up all the foods that wouldn't last the forty days of Lent without going off.
The need to eat up the fats gave rise to the French name Mardi Gras ('fat Tuesday'). Pancakes became associated with Shrove Tuesday as they were a dish that could use up all the eggs, fats and milk in the house with just the addition of flour.
The origin of pancake racing
Pancake races are thought to have begun in 1445. A woman had lost track of the time on Shrove Tuesday, and was busy cooking pancakes in her kitchen.
Suddenly she heard the church bell ringing to call the faithful to church for confession. The woman raced out of her house and ran all the way to church; still holding her frying pan and wearing her apron.
Shrove Tuesday is a religious celebration but sadly some folk don't know the religous story of how it came to be.
Pancakes ©
Shrove Tuesday is the day before Lent starts: the Tuesday before Ash Wednesday. It's a day of penitence, to clean the soul, and a day of celebration as the last chance to feast before Lent begins.
Shrove Tuesday is sometimes called Pancake Day after the fried batter recipe traditionally eaten on this day.
But there's more to Shrove Tuesday than pigging out on pancakes or taking part in a public pancake race. The pancakes themselves are part of an ancient custom with deeply religious roots.
Penitence
Shrove Tuesday gets its name from the ritual of shriving that Christians used to undergo in the past. In shriving, a person confesses their sins and receives absolution for them.
When a person receives absolution for their sins, they are forgiven for them and released from the guilt and pain that they have caused them.
In the Catholic or Orthodox context, the absolution is pronounced by a priest.
This tradition is very old. Over 1000 years ago a monk wrote in the Anglo-Saxon Ecclesiastical Institutes:
In the week immediately before Lent everyone shall go to his confessor and confess his deeds and the confessor shall so shrive him.
Anglo-Saxon Ecclesiastical Institutes
Shrove Tuesday celebrations
Shrove Tuesday is a day of celebration as well as penitence, because it's the last day before Lent.
Lent is a time of abstinence, of giving things up. So Shrove Tuesday is the last chance to indulge yourself, and to use up the foods that aren't allowed in Lent.
Giving up foods: but not wasting them
During Lent there are many foods that some Christians - historically and today - would not eat: foods such as meat and fish, fats, eggs, and milky foods.
So that no food was wasted, families would have a feast on the shriving Tuesday, and eat up all the foods that wouldn't last the forty days of Lent without going off.
The need to eat up the fats gave rise to the French name Mardi Gras ('fat Tuesday'). Pancakes became associated with Shrove Tuesday as they were a dish that could use up all the eggs, fats and milk in the house with just the addition of flour.
The origin of pancake racing
Pancake races are thought to have begun in 1445. A woman had lost track of the time on Shrove Tuesday, and was busy cooking pancakes in her kitchen.
Suddenly she heard the church bell ringing to call the faithful to church for confession. The woman raced out of her house and ran all the way to church; still holding her frying pan and wearing her apron.
Posted by: ray mcdonald, burnley on 12:45pm Mon 31 Mar 08
<< Shrove Tuesday is a religious celebration >>
So?
This does not give pancakes any religious significance.
Wine,wafer and cross have religious significance,a domestic practice that takes place prior to a period of fasting does not attach any religious significance to it.
I will leave you to have the last word <g>
<< Shrove Tuesday is a religious celebration >>
So?
This does not give pancakes any religious significance.
Wine,wafer and cross have religious significance,a domestic practice that takes place prior to a period of fasting does not attach any religious significance to it.
I will leave you to have the last word <g>
Posted by: Dave M on 5:31pm Mon 31 Mar 08
The clue to the removal of the buns is in the cross rather than all that cant about nutrition.
Our public bodies are happy to eradicate any sign of our Christian heritage from this country, as are our weak Anglican vicars who are busy sticking up for the Muslims at every opportunity rather than preaching against what to any confirmed Christian should be deemed a false religion.
The clue to the removal of the buns is in the cross rather than all that cant about nutrition.
Our public bodies are happy to eradicate any sign of our Christian heritage from this country, as are our weak Anglican vicars who are busy sticking up for the Muslims at every opportunity rather than preaching against what to any confirmed Christian should be deemed a false religion.
Posted by: Blondie on 5:33am Tue 1 Apr 08
Shrove Tuesday and Easter are religious festivals in the Christian Calendar and sadly those of us who don't attend church have long forgotten the importance of these events which i was taught about in Sunday School as were my children.
The majority of Muslims attend their Mosque and follow their faith and that is something to be admired and not to be scoffed at.
Shrove Tuesday and Easter are religious festivals in the Christian Calendar and sadly those of us who don't attend church have long forgotten the importance of these events which i was taught about in Sunday School as were my children.
The majority of Muslims attend their Mosque and follow their faith and that is something to be admired and not to be scoffed at.
Posted by: Anal Lover, Big Brown Hole on 6:04pm Tue 1 Apr 08
Get over it OK its finished i say FINISHED !!!!!!!!
Get over it OK its finished i say FINISHED !!!!!!!!
Posted by: Blondie on 9:03am Thu 3 Apr 08
I say i say Keep calm.
God forgives.
I say i say Keep calm.
God forgives.
Posted by: Chris Peacock, Blackburn on 11:47am Fri 25 Apr 08
[quote][bold]vikingpower[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Worker[/bold] wrote: vikingpower, I hope you or your family complained in writing.[/quote] That goes without saying![/quote] I think you all have too much time on your hands.
vikingpower wrote:
The Worker wrote: vikingpower, I hope you or your family complained in writing.
That goes without saying!
I think you all have too much time on your hands.
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