Good on you, stick it out until you get what you deserve, hope you get it

Good on ya lads! I hope they will listen now!

Wouldn't it be nice if all responses was as nice as the two comments above. I hope people are as understanding, my colleagues and I very much appreciate all your support and are sorry it as come to striking, but see this is the only bargaining tool left to us. As for Mr Burgess saying that we,re in talks with the unions, he has offered us nothing so far but the threat of dismissal if we don't sign a mew contract with a pay cut by the 31st of may. Our biggest fears are not just losing thousands in a day that prices for everything are going through the roof but being so easily able to tear up the contract when it doesn't suit them and the new contract one year down the line is ripped up. Is a contract not worth the paper it is written on no more? We're not asking for more money or better working conditions, we just want what we signed for. If this process is allowed to go through you can bet your bottem dollar that the private sector will catch on and say it makes good business sense and save themselves a fortune, and if you don't like it plenty of other people will. So thank you to all the public who understand and again a big sincere apology from all that have striked today.

Paul wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if all responses was as nice as the two comments above. I hope people are as understanding, my colleagues and I very much appreciate all your support and are sorry it as come to striking, but see this is the only bargaining tool left to us. As for Mr Burgess saying that we,re in talks with the unions, he has offered us nothing so far but the threat of dismissal if we don't sign a mew contract with a pay cut by the 31st of may. Our biggest fears are not just losing thousands in a day that prices for everything are going through the roof but being so easily able to tear up the contract when it doesn't suit them and the new contract one year down the line is ripped up. Is a contract not worth the paper it is written on no more? We're not asking for more money or better working conditions, we just want what we signed for. If this process is allowed to go through you can bet your bottem dollar that the private sector will catch on and say it makes good business sense and save themselves a fortune, and if you don't like it plenty of other people will. So thank you to all the public who understand and again a big sincere apology from all that have striked today.

Big up!! for paul WoooH WoooH

We are all behind you dont give up when the streets are full of rubbish we know who to blame.
My area is affected today and i run a clean up group i am not going out cleaning it out of respect for all you workers.
Good luck and keep fighting you deserve every penny you all get and more.

carol wrote:
We are all behind you dont give up when the streets are full of rubbish we know who to blame. My area is affected today and i run a clean up group i am not going out cleaning it out of respect for all you workers. Good luck and keep fighting you deserve every penny you all get and more.

Thankyou Carol, much appreciated.

I totally agree with your reasons for striking - essential services should not be facing pay cuts in this day and age - times are hard enough for the majority of people on low to middle incomes. To those of you who think the strikes of order - shame on you - would you allow your families to go short because someone decided to cut your salaries? I think not!

Keep it up all of you, I know its not just about the bins, its about many other departments within the council. You have my support and that of many other health workers who may yet have to face the same battles!

sorry we are all not behind you. Sometimes, you have to enter into long term talks to settle contract arguments, hitting the public, the people who you work for,(and as a public servant myself I never support strike action) is never an option, its not our fault. Now, we have to put up with over flowing bins that are a risk to health. Bags will be ripped open by animals and litter will be spread everywhere. Remember as public servants we are a team, one group can't work without the other. Will the strikers feel it there public duty to clear up extra mess to win back some lost public support.

I'm a street cleaner for the council and have been for the past four years, in this time I've been shouted at been assaulted and had people drop litter purposely in front of me. I have also seen the opposite side of people and been offered cups of tea when I've been cold and shelter when we've had a downpour and we've had plenty of those, I have had many conversations, with young, old, white and asian people on many different subjects and because of these factors and the fact I know I'm helping people enjoy there area a little more because its clean, its all been worth it. I enjoy my job and probably will work for less but I think maybe its time to look for something that I can't be put in a position of having to let my family down by telling them that we don't have enough. Its a shame that hard work with a smile on your face gives people the reason to take away from you.

Paul wrote:
I'm a street cleaner for the council and have been for the past four years, in this time I've been shouted at been assaulted and had people drop litter purposely in front of me. I have also seen the opposite side of people and been offered cups of tea when I've been cold and shelter when we've had a downpour and we've had plenty of those, I have had many conversations, with young, old, white and asian people on many different subjects and because of these factors and the fact I know I'm helping people enjoy there area a little more because its clean, its all been worth it. I enjoy my job and probably will work for less but I think maybe its time to look for something that I can't be put in a position of having to let my family down by telling them that we don't have enough. Its a shame that hard work with a smile on your face gives people the reason to take away from you.

Well said!

it would be nice to be able to support the bin men but we havent had our bins emptied for 3weeks and ouroriganal collection day was not even a strike day if we have to wait till friday again that will be a month without collection no wonder we have rats and they expect support

I have sympathy for the residents who have had to wait 3 weeks it must be an eyesore were you live but these people have children to feed and houses to pay for.
I have dealings with a lot of the cleansing team and other departments and they always support communities so now it is our turn to support them.
As for the people who shout abuse and spit at these people i would like to know what they do for a job that is if they have one.

matt wrote:
sorry we are all not behind you. Sometimes, you have to enter into long term talks to settle contract arguments, hitting the public, the people who you work for,(and as a public servant myself I never support strike action) is never an option, its not our fault. Now, we have to put up with over flowing bins that are a risk to health. Bags will be ripped open by animals and litter will be spread everywhere. Remember as public servants we are a team, one group can't work without the other. Will the strikers feel it there public duty to clear up extra mess to win back some lost public support.

you said it all mate. i'm fed up with the constant whining. act like grown ups and either do the job or find another. you are being paid by the employer. if the employer wants to reassess how much you are worth to him then so be it. if you disagree go and talk to him. if he disagrees, as is the case, then you have the choice either to accept his offer or find another employer who will pay you what you think you are worth. easy economics, used the world over, except here in this namby pamby state cos we are so pc and can't upset anyone or they will walk off and take their ball with them. i suppose the same people who are backing this strike will be happy paying for a service which they are not getting? let me put it another way...everyone moans when we get 2 weekly collections so we go back to weekly collections and everyone says hurrah. now the strikes are justified by the bin men saying "dont worry, not collecting your bins this week wont create a hazard in this weather". so now as an employer i would say "ok, i dont need as many staff cos i am gonna bring in a policy of only collecting bins every three weeks, cos thats whats happenin at the moment and we are getting by and cos the public say they can live with it". get back to work or take a walk, the choice is yours, but stop wasting mine and others council tax payments. i have paid you to do something, please do it. turn the tv on whilst you are sat at home on your strike day and see that there are many many worse off people than you in this world. rant over

matt wrote:
sorry we are all not behind you. Sometimes, you have to enter into long term talks to settle contract arguments, hitting the public, the people who you work for,(and as a public servant myself I never support strike action) is never an option, its not our fault. Now, we have to put up with over flowing bins that are a risk to health. Bags will be ripped open by animals and litter will be spread everywhere. Remember as public servants we are a team, one group can't work without the other. Will the strikers feel it there public duty to clear up extra mess to win back some lost public support.

you said it all mate. i'm fed up with the constant whining. act like grown ups and either do the job or find another. you are being paid by the employer. if the employer wants to reassess how much you are worth to him then so be it. if you disagree go and talk to him. if he disagrees, as is the case, then you have the choice either to accept his offer or find another employer who will pay you what you think you are worth. easy economics, used the world over, except here in this namby pamby state cos we are so pc and can't upset anyone or they will walk off and take their ball with them. i suppose the same people who are backing this strike will be happy paying for a service which they are not getting? let me put it another way...everyone moans when we get 2 weekly collections so we go back to weekly collections and everyone says hurrah. now the strikes are justified by the bin men saying "dont worry, not collecting your bins this week wont create a hazard in this weather". so now as an employer i would say "ok, i dont need as many staff cos i am gonna bring in a policy of only collecting bins every three weeks, cos thats whats happenin at the moment and we are getting by and cos the public say they can live with it". get back to work or take a walk, the choice is yours, but stop wasting mine and others council tax payments. i have paid you to do something, please do it. turn the tv on whilst you are sat at home on your strike day and see that there are many many worse off people than you in this world. rant over

matt wrote:
sorry we are all not behind you. Sometimes, you have to enter into long term talks to settle contract arguments, hitting the public, the people who you work for,(and as a public servant myself I never support strike action) is never an option, its not our fault. Now, we have to put up with over flowing bins that are a risk to health. Bags will be ripped open by animals and litter will be spread everywhere. Remember as public servants we are a team, one group can't work without the other. Will the strikers feel it there public duty to clear up extra mess to win back some lost public support.

you said it all mate. i'm fed up with the constant whining. act like grown ups and either do the job or find another. you are being paid by the employer. if the employer wants to reassess how much you are worth to him then so be it. if you disagree go and talk to him. if he disagrees, as is the case, then you have the choice either to accept his offer or find another employer who will pay you what you think you are worth. easy economics, used the world over, except here in this namby pamby state cos we are so pc and can't upset anyone or they will walk off and take their ball with them. i suppose the same people who are backing this strike will be happy paying for a service which they are not getting? let me put it another way...everyone moans when we get 2 weekly collections so we go back to weekly collections and everyone says hurrah. now the strikes are justified by the bin men saying "dont worry, not collecting your bins this week wont create a hazard in this weather". so now as an employer i would say "ok, i dont need as many staff cos i am gonna bring in a policy of only collecting bins every three weeks, cos thats whats happenin at the moment and we are getting by and cos the public say they can live with it". get back to work or take a walk, the choice is yours, but stop wasting mine and others council tax payments. i have paid you to do something, please do it. turn the tv on whilst you are sat at home on your strike day and see that there are many many worse off people than you in this world. rant over

I do think the workers who are taking this action think good will come of this but beware the eastern europeans will be waiting!

The top 5 post are all from the same person
get a life

botom 4 seem to be, get a grip.

I can assure you i only post comments in my name.
The strike affects my area again next week but instead of moaning about it i will be at the town hall with them all showing my support.
People moaning about the state of there areas should get down there as well and voice there opinions instead of bad mouthing the innocent workers in all this.

Mark wrote:
I do think the workers who are taking this action think good will come of this but beware the eastern europeans will be waiting!

Mark,the trouble is we are supposed to work to agreed contracts.We British are also generally regarded as fair.It always seems to be unscrupulous employersand/or government bodies who want to 'tearup' existing agreements!
I would not like my pay reduced 'if that is the case here' without some form of extremely valid reason. Inflation already reduces it's value. You imply that foreigners are waiting
to 'step in'! Do you mean for less pay? If
Y, then why not revert to 1920/30 when employers could pick and choose who would work for them on a daily basis 'factory gate mentality'! Trade unions backed by the members ie.'workers' fought for the right of 'fair days pay for fair days work' and the correspondingly appropriate terms and
conditions.Withdrawa
l
of labour is often the only recourse against 'brickwall'
opposite response! Let
us hope that action can be taken,soon, to
amicably resolve the
situation.

If its such a good cause why dont you have unilateral support from all the unions? Do you think 1 month is a fair time to not empty my bin that I have payed for.My area is full of litter are you going to come and clean it up, not that you do any way. I think that you guys have ideas above your abilities, lets face it you empty bins for god sake not rocket science is it. Short of money? should have thought about that before you had loads of kids, sky t.v smoking and drinking. Think about going to college get a better job, or do the one that you are payed to do and empty my bin.

matt wrote:
If its such a good cause why dont you have unilateral support from all the unions? Do you think 1 month is a fair time to not empty my bin that I have payed for.My area is full of litter are you going to come and clean it up, not that you do any way. I think that you guys have ideas above your abilities, lets face it you empty bins for god sake not rocket science is it. Short of money? should have thought about that before you had loads of kids, sky t.v smoking and drinking. Think about going to college get a better job, or do the one that you are payed to do and empty my bin.

You empty bins its not rocket science somebody has to do the job and they would do it if they were getting the money that they are supposed to get.
Take your rubbish to the tip like we all have to if you have not got a car carry it there like i have seen so many people doing.
As your area being full of rubbish pick it up the council dont drop it its the residents were you live so take some responsibility before you complain.

annoyed resident wrote:

matt wrote: If its such a good cause why dont you have unilateral support from all the unions? Do you think 1 month is a fair time to not empty my bin that I have payed for.My area is full of litter are you going to come and clean it up, not that you do any way. I think that you guys have ideas above your abilities, lets face it you empty bins for god sake not rocket science is it. Short of money? should have thought about that before you had loads of kids, sky t.v smoking and drinking. Think about going to college get a better job, or do the one that you are payed to do and empty my bin.

You empty bins its not rocket science somebody has to do the job and they would do it if they were getting the money that they are supposed to get. Take your rubbish to the tip like we all have to if you have not got a car carry it there like i have seen so many people doing. As your area being full of rubbish pick it up the council dont drop it its the residents were you live so take some responsibility before you complain.

Bravo well said. We do have some really ignorant and selfish morons living amongst us like Matt. By paying your council tax why don't you hold to account the chief executive and leader of the council? Their arrogance and stubborness in this whole job evaluation farce is resulting in many good, experienced and skilled staff leaving only to be replaced by numpties. If you are so inconvenienced by the binmen and cleaners striking you aint seen nothing yet. The quality of services will suffer. As an example it is my understanding that the planning dept has seen most of its good staff leave over this with many posts still vacant. Why? No qualified person is going to come to BwDBC to work for less money when they can be paid more elsewhere, hence the vacancy in the first place. When the post is filled it will be with a numpty like matt and get a grip who between them don't have a brain cell. Furthermore due to the way staff have been treated the goodwill has gone and many will leave before the new pay is enforced next year. Matt and get a grip your complaints should at that time be directed to the chief exec and through the ballot box getting rid of the coalition who will destroy Blackburn at the benefit of Darwen. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Openminded wrote:

annoyed resident wrote:

matt wrote: If its such a good cause why dont you have unilateral support from all the unions? Do you think 1 month is a fair time to not empty my bin that I have payed for.My area is full of litter are you going to come and clean it up, not that you do any way. I think that you guys have ideas above your abilities, lets face it you empty bins for god sake not rocket science is it. Short of money? should have thought about that before you had loads of kids, sky t.v smoking and drinking. Think about going to college get a better job, or do the one that you are payed to do and empty my bin.

You empty bins its not rocket science somebody has to do the job and they would do it if they were getting the money that they are supposed to get. Take your rubbish to the tip like we all have to if you have not got a car carry it there like i have seen so many people doing. As your area being full of rubbish pick it up the council dont drop it its the residents were you live so take some responsibility before you complain.

Bravo well said. We do have some really ignorant and selfish morons living amongst us like Matt. By paying your council tax why don't you hold to account the chief executive and leader of the council? Their arrogance and stubborness in this whole job evaluation farce is resulting in many good, experienced and skilled staff leaving only to be replaced by numpties. If you are so inconvenienced by the binmen and cleaners striking you aint seen nothing yet. The quality of services will suffer. As an example it is my understanding that the planning dept has seen most of its good staff leave over this with many posts still vacant. Why? No qualified person is going to come to BwDBC to work for less money when they can be paid more elsewhere, hence the vacancy in the first place. When the post is filled it will be with a numpty like matt and get a grip who between them don't have a brain cell. Furthermore due to the way staff have been treated the goodwill has gone and many will leave before the new pay is enforced next year. Matt and get a grip your complaints should at that time be directed to the chief exec and through the ballot box getting rid of the coalition who will destroy Blackburn at the benefit of Darwen. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Burgess and Rigby i would not give them the time of day they are out for what they can get and stuff to everybody else.
Sooner this **** up alition go the better i say.

WHO LOVES LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY,CUT PAY AND CUT THE SERVICES TO THEN YOU NO ABOUT IT

Just want to say good luck to Paul and all the other council staff who are affected by the wage cuts.
Hope friday will finally make those at the top listen and sort this mess out.
I hope many residents turn up to support you all i will be there out of respect for you all you have all given me so much support and i want to show how grateful i am.
Keep fighting for what you deserve you are all a credit to blackburn and darwen.

annoyed resident wrote:

matt wrote: If its such a good cause why dont you have unilateral support from all the unions? Do you think 1 month is a fair time to not empty my bin that I have payed for.My area is full of litter are you going to come and clean it up, not that you do any way. I think that you guys have ideas above your abilities, lets face it you empty bins for god sake not rocket science is it. Short of money? should have thought about that before you had loads of kids, sky t.v smoking and drinking. Think about going to college get a better job, or do the one that you are payed to do and empty my bin.

You empty bins its not rocket science somebody has to do the job and they would do it if they were getting the money that they are supposed to get. Take your rubbish to the tip like we all have to if you have not got a car carry it there like i have seen so many people doing. As your area being full of rubbish pick it up the council dont drop it its the residents were you live so take some responsibility before you complain.

if its such an easy task for us all to take our rubbish to the tip as you say, then why not sack all the binmen and have done with it? moan moan moan. and as for openminded's post, do you know what the meaning of ignorant is? have you actually seen the contract that has "been torn up" that these workers are moaning about? there are employment laws and if any had been broken by the council then the "workers" wouldnt be striking as they would have a legitimate way of changing things. lets see how long you all take before you turn and trust me you will. do these workers think that all the rubbish piling up will disappear? they are still gonna have to clean it today tomorro or the day after. fly tipping will increase. if the bin men can find other jobs paying them more then off you go, ive said it before and ill say it again, theres plenty more people who run think that the wage offered is a decent one in todays climate.

So what you are saying it is okay for people to be losing 2k or 10k a year.
Dont think so if you was losing i am sure you would have a differant view why should they do the job they have always done for less money.
It was you moaning that your bin had not been emptied the tip is the only solution for many people at the moment.
What a stupid comment saying sack the bin men as you know they are a vital resource to the council if they was not you wouldnt be complaining that your bin hasnt been emptied.
They probably will have to clean areas eventually but by all the comments that have been posted they have proved a point and caused disruption to many people.
By the way the bin men are not actually losing money they are standing by there workmates who are it is called loyalty.

get a grip wrote:

annoyed resident wrote:

matt wrote: If its such a good cause why dont you have unilateral support from all the unions? Do you think 1 month is a fair time to not empty my bin that I have payed for.My area is full of litter are you going to come and clean it up, not that you do any way. I think that you guys have ideas above your abilities, lets face it you empty bins for god sake not rocket science is it. Short of money? should have thought about that before you had loads of kids, sky t.v smoking and drinking. Think about going to college get a better job, or do the one that you are payed to do and empty my bin.

You empty bins its not rocket science somebody has to do the job and they would do it if they were getting the money that they are supposed to get. Take your rubbish to the tip like we all have to if you have not got a car carry it there like i have seen so many people doing. As your area being full of rubbish pick it up the council dont drop it its the residents were you live so take some responsibility before you complain.

if its such an easy task for us all to take our rubbish to the tip as you say, then why not sack all the binmen and have done with it? moan moan moan. and as for openminded's post, do you know what the meaning of ignorant is? have you actually seen the contract that has "been torn up" that these workers are moaning about? there are employment laws and if any had been broken by the council then the "workers" wouldnt be striking as they would have a legitimate way of changing things. lets see how long you all take before you turn and trust me you will. do these workers think that all the rubbish piling up will disappear? they are still gonna have to clean it today tomorro or the day after. fly tipping will increase. if the bin men can find other jobs paying them more then off you go, ive said it before and ill say it again, theres plenty more people who run think that the wage offered is a decent one in todays climate.

We are not asking for more money you moron, just what we have signed for. Do you not listen or are you just stupid. A contract is something you sign to say you will do the job description, this includes pay. Have you ever signed a contract or seen one? if you had then I,m **** sure you wouldn't want somebody coming along and changing it because they felt like it. The people who do think that 12k in this day and age is a decent one, is either used to not working or an immigrant and I don't blame the immigrant, but you could argue that immigration is driving down wages thus creating poverty but that is another arguement. Yes there has been disruption but when it is all settled one way or another your bin and other waste will be removed. Like I said in earlier posts I dont think I will probably stay and will look for another job but the one thing I won't miss is the likes of you, Your a disgrace to the human race. You think the all world should revolves around you. I feel sorry for the lads that I will leave having to deal with the likes of you.

Paul wrote:

get a grip wrote:

annoyed resident wrote:

matt wrote: If its such a good cause why dont you have unilateral support from all the unions? Do you think 1 month is a fair time to not empty my bin that I have payed for.My area is full of litter are you going to come and clean it up, not that you do any way. I think that you guys have ideas above your abilities, lets face it you empty bins for god sake not rocket science is it. Short of money? should have thought about that before you had loads of kids, sky t.v smoking and drinking. Think about going to college get a better job, or do the one that you are payed to do and empty my bin.

You empty bins its not rocket science somebody has to do the job and they would do it if they were getting the money that they are supposed to get. Take your rubbish to the tip like we all have to if you have not got a car carry it there like i have seen so many people doing. As your area being full of rubbish pick it up the council dont drop it its the residents were you live so take some responsibility before you complain.

if its such an easy task for us all to take our rubbish to the tip as you say, then why not sack all the binmen and have done with it? moan moan moan. and as for openminded's post, do you know what the meaning of ignorant is? have you actually seen the contract that has "been torn up" that these workers are moaning about? there are employment laws and if any had been broken by the council then the "workers" wouldnt be striking as they would have a legitimate way of changing things. lets see how long you all take before you turn and trust me you will. do these workers think that all the rubbish piling up will disappear? they are still gonna have to clean it today tomorro or the day after. fly tipping will increase. if the bin men can find other jobs paying them more then off you go, ive said it before and ill say it again, theres plenty more people who run think that the wage offered is a decent one in todays climate.

We are not asking for more money you moron, just what we have signed for. Do you not listen or are you just stupid. A contract is something you sign to say you will do the job description, this includes pay. Have you ever signed a contract or seen one? if you had then I,m **** sure you wouldn't want somebody coming along and changing it because they felt like it. The people who do think that 12k in this day and age is a decent one, is either used to not working or an immigrant and I don't blame the immigrant, but you could argue that immigration is driving down wages thus creating poverty but that is another arguement. Yes there has been disruption but when it is all settled one way or another your bin and other waste will be removed. Like I said in earlier posts I dont think I will probably stay and will look for another job but the one thing I won't miss is the likes of you, Your a disgrace to the human race. You think the all world should revolves around you. I feel sorry for the lads that I will leave having to deal with the likes of you.

Well said Paul i agree with you 100% people like them 2 are neither use or ornament.
They come on here posting there comments and they have not got a clue what they are on about.
I wish you and all your workmates well and hope by friday something can be resolved hopefully in your favour.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do and may you have a happy peacefull life without scum of the earth dragging you down.

I think you will find that my that my comments are designed to produce strong reaction, to promote discussion and debate. Playing devils advocate provides balance to an argument, I should have known that with each reaction comes an equal and opposite reaction. Each and every person who writes a comment has a point and are not morons even if you think the are misguided.I think you'll find that I have more than one or two brain cells rubbing together in this melon of mine.
This is how I stand: Do i agree with the strike, no. Do I think that all public sector workers provide a service that if lost it would be to the detrament of the local community, Yes. Are our workers being treated unfairly, probably. The next step is to look at the legal argument for premature alterations to your contracts and to see if the council bosses can change it. If not they will change it when the contract is up for review. I am sorry but the more action is taken the more the council will plan for this until there is very little public disruption, workers will be driven back to work out of poverty and the council wins, remember what maggie did to the miners.

for mldnurse@yahoo.com read matt from blackburn please contact me direct if reasoned discussion is your bag.

Well mldnurse, you say that agree with strike action. Then what is your solution, shall we sit back and rely on Mr Burgess and Mr Rigby having some kind of conscience attack and reversing the procedure, I don't think that is going to happen. Maybe you think that workers all over the country should just allow an employer to treat there workers like slaves and maybe not pay them at all. When you decide to be fence ridden you may post what ever you want but maybe as fence ridden you could also get your points correct. We are not subcontracted in anyway, we are not on short term contracts or even on long term contracts, we are, well we thought we were on perminent contracts. Our employer has decided to go back in time and decided that the signing of a perminent contract is not binding, would like to just rip that one up and give employees a new one with less money. Now my dilema is this. If the first contract that I signed can be ripped up because of its insignificance, what to say in a years time they decide to rip this one up and put my money down again. So I see you maybe are a nurse, if this was happening to you, even though you don't believe in strike action, what would you do? Heres an ivitation to maybe resolve this injustice as I see it with your wise words.

get a grip wrote:

annoyed resident wrote:

matt wrote: If its such a good cause why dont you have unilateral support from all the unions? Do you think 1 month is a fair time to not empty my bin that I have payed for.My area is full of litter are you going to come and clean it up, not that you do any way. I think that you guys have ideas above your abilities, lets face it you empty bins for god sake not rocket science is it. Short of money? should have thought about that before you had loads of kids, sky t.v smoking and drinking. Think about going to college get a better job, or do the one that you are payed to do and empty my bin.

You empty bins its not rocket science somebody has to do the job and they would do it if they were getting the money that they are supposed to get. Take your rubbish to the tip like we all have to if you have not got a car carry it there like i have seen so many people doing. As your area being full of rubbish pick it up the council dont drop it its the residents were you live so take some responsibility before you complain.

if its such an easy task for us all to take our rubbish to the tip as you say, then why not sack all the binmen and have done with it? moan moan moan. and as for openminded\'s post, do you know what the meaning of ignorant is? have you actually seen the contract that has \"been torn up\" that these workers are moaning about? there are employment laws and if any had been broken by the council then the \"workers\" wouldnt be striking as they would have a legitimate way of changing things. lets see how long you all take before you turn and trust me you will. do these workers think that all the rubbish piling up will disappear? they are still gonna have to clean it today tomorro or the day after. fly tipping will increase. if the bin men can find other jobs paying them more then off you go, ive said it before and ill say it again, theres plenty more people who run think that the wage offered is a decent one in todays climate.

As matter of fact i have a masters in English and know very well the meaning of ignorant and also naive which you are displaying a strong trait in. You obviously have only one brain cell which is trying to function but is letting you down badly. Laws in this country have many grey areas which scrupulous employers exploit, which is the case here. Yes, i have seen the documentation and Yes i also know how they have manipulated the law in their favour. How do i know that? I was asked to legally represent some council staff which i could not do due to the process not being complete. If you think their wage is sufficient to live off then lets see swap your job and salary with them. You are an ignorant, naive, gormless and absolute turd!

Openminded wrote:

get a grip wrote:

annoyed resident wrote:

matt wrote: If its such a good cause why dont you have unilateral support from all the unions? Do you think 1 month is a fair time to not empty my bin that I have payed for.My area is full of litter are you going to come and clean it up, not that you do any way. I think that you guys have ideas above your abilities, lets face it you empty bins for god sake not rocket science is it. Short of money? should have thought about that before you had loads of kids, sky t.v smoking and drinking. Think about going to college get a better job, or do the one that you are payed to do and empty my bin.

You empty bins its not rocket science somebody has to do the job and they would do it if they were getting the money that they are supposed to get. Take your rubbish to the tip like we all have to if you have not got a car carry it there like i have seen so many people doing. As your area being full of rubbish pick it up the council dont drop it its the residents were you live so take some responsibility before you complain.

if its such an easy task for us all to take our rubbish to the tip as you say, then why not sack all the binmen and have done with it? moan moan moan. and as for openminded\'s post, do you know what the meaning of ignorant is? have you actually seen the contract that has \"been torn up\" that these workers are moaning about? there are employment laws and if any had been broken by the council then the \"workers\" wouldnt be striking as they would have a legitimate way of changing things. lets see how long you all take before you turn and trust me you will. do these workers think that all the rubbish piling up will disappear? they are still gonna have to clean it today tomorro or the day after. fly tipping will increase. if the bin men can find other jobs paying them more then off you go, ive said it before and ill say it again, theres plenty more people who run think that the wage offered is a decent one in todays climate.

As matter of fact i have a masters in English and know very well the meaning of ignorant and also naive which you are displaying a strong trait in. You obviously have only one brain cell which is trying to function but is letting you down badly. Laws in this country have many grey areas which scrupulous employers exploit, which is the case here. Yes, i have seen the documentation and Yes i also know how they have manipulated the law in their favour. How do i know that? I was asked to legally represent some council staff which i could not do due to the process not being complete. If you think their wage is sufficient to live off then lets see swap your job and salary with them. You are an ignorant, naive, gormless and absolute turd!

Couldn't have put it better myself. obviously get a grip doesn't know what an employment contract is. I wil say though he doesn't need to try to live on my wage, he probably is living off my taxes.