News RSS Feed


REGISTER NOW TO POST YOUR COMMENTS ON THESE STORIES

It's free and only takes a few seconds. Click here to go to the registration page.

Drunken hell for East Lancashire nurses

10:28pm Sunday 18th May 2008

comment Comments (13)   Have your say »

Photograph of the Author By Camilla Sutcliffe »

NURSES are being verbally or physically abused everyday by drunken patients at East Lancashire's A&E department, a matron on the unit has revealed.

Clare Clark told of her staff's daily hell as new figures revealed that at least 112 people were attending the Royal Blackburn Hospital with alcohol-related injuries each month, as much as twice the national average.

Mrs Clark, who has 25 years' experience in A&E, said that the abuse which traditionally took place on Friday and Saturday nights had now become a daily occurrence.

And she said that her staff were seeing more young people than ever come through the hospital's doors with serious alcohol problems.

MPs said that the figures and Mrs Clark's experiences showed how society needed to change its attitude towards drinking.

Figures collected from the Healthcare Commission for the Big Drink Debate, a north-west internet study into drinking habits, showed that 112 people each month were attending East Lancashire's A&E with alcohol-related injuries.

This breaks down to 38 Blackburn people, 30 from Burnley and 22 each from Pendle and Rossendale. No figures were available for Hyndburn or the Ribble Valley.

The national average is 20 from a town each month.

Mrs Clark told of the reality behind these figures.

She said: "There are times when the violence and abuse is so bad that we have to call the police.

"But for nurses in the emergency department it's a normal part of the job so unfortunately that means they put up with a lot more than any other public body would before they take that action.

"We have reporting structures in place but there are minor incidents so often that no matter how much we try to persuade them, many nurses just don't bother.

"When I started 25 years ago it was pretty much confined to Friday and Saturday nights, but now we are seeing this kind of thing throughout the week. And we are seeing a lot more chronically alcohol-affected people.

"It used to be just about dealing with drunks, but now we are seeing younger and younger people who have had some serious alcohol problems and related illnesses like liver cirrhosis. Certainly the problem is increasing, both in numbers and in the severity of the presentations."

Mrs Clark told of the difficulties in dealing with a drunk patient.

She said: "At least weekly, we have cases where someone will have a head injury, but we have to wait before we can assess it because they can barely stand because of the alcohol they have drunk, and we don't know whether the reduced consciousness is because of the injury or the drink.

"You get happy drunks and aggressive drunks but the one thing they have in common is that they are non-compliant.

"They either want to fight and argue or give you a big hug and have a dance with you, but either way, it means it takes a lot longer to treat minor injuries than it would with a sober person."

The government will today launch a new £10 million "Know Your Limits" campaign to help people understand how much they are drinking, after studies showed that most vastly underestimated the number of units they consumed.

It follows an initiative in East Lancashire to save a "million years of life" due to health inequalities with alcohol blamed for one in 10 male deaths in the area.

Blackburn MP Jack Straw said new legislation which took effect last Monday gave extra protection to nurses dealing with violent patients.

But he said the root causes of the problem had to be tackled, including cheap alcohol sales in supermarkets and parental control of teenage drinking.

He said: "The truth is that there is a long-standing drink problem across the country. Overall, violence-related injuries are going down and some behaviour, for instance around drink-drinving, has improved dramatically, but people have to realise that alcohol, whilst being an important part of most people's social lives, can be as dangerous as some banned drugs.

"It is very difficult in a free society to investigate what are literally people's personal habits, but it is a big problem that we all have to face."

Burnley MP Kitty Ussher called for efforts to change the social view of drinking, and said people needed to learn that "it is simply not cool to get paralytic."

She said: "It is difficult to interfere with the private sector on prices, but we can do a lot though awareness, and ultimately supermarkets will want a responsible image for their brand.

"Drink-driving has become a social taboo, and drinking beyond your limits needs to be seen like that too, not as something to brag about."

Your Say YourTelegraph

BOUNCER BILL, Blackburn says...
11:31pm Sun 18 May 08

A START WOULD BE TO INVEST IN SOME DECENT SECURITY STAFF ... SOME OF THOSE EMPLOYED UP THERE COULDN'T PUT A FAG OUT!!!

IF YOU PAY PEANUTS, YOU'LL ONLY GET MONKEYS TO WORK FOR YOU.

THE STAFF WOULD ALSO FEEL SAFER WITH SOME REAL DOOR STAFF ON DUTY - SOME WHO HAVE ACTUALLY WORKED AND HAD EXPERIENCE OF DEALING WITH DRUNKS. NOT SOME LIGHTWEIGHT NIGHT WATCHMAN WHO'S ONLY USED TO CHECKING DOORS ARE LOCKED!!

SORT IT OUT ... NURSES AND DOCTORS NEED PROTECTING!!



mankind, says...
2:28am Mon 19 May 08

If these immature people are prepared to get drunk, then get in a fight, then stuff em, if they are big enough to get drunk and then fight, then they are big enough to go home and sleep it off, but no they have to create a burden on our already stretched nhs services, i agree re the doormen they would be of more use at mothercare, but am sick to the **** teeth of these lowlifes who are so called big and hard lowlifes utilissing the good services that we are free to use at our disposal coz the scum can not handle their beer, nurses dont take it, let the lowlifes lick their own wounds.

Tony H, Burnley says...
2:51am Mon 19 May 08

Hey Kitty

What's it got to do with Burnley. Thanx to your government all Burnley's injured have to go to Blackburn anyway.

Zero, Tollerance says...
6:10am Mon 19 May 08

Fine them. If they can afford to get drunk into such a stupor then they can pay the fine.

Nurses should not have to treat these incidents 'as the norm' they are a burden on resources and cost thousands. Recoup the money. The same goes for drugs as well. How many are admitted because of drug abuse. Or, are they both linked.

And why is our inept gov. wasting 10 million of taxpayers money on the few, When the majority know how to socialise. Get the breweries to run and pay for the campaign. It's their product causing the problem.

matt, blackburn says...
6:43am Mon 19 May 08

You could fine them but then they say my drinks been spiked, you could refuse to treat them but people have always been jumped and are always victims. These people are in society anyway and you will always get people who cause problems drunk or not. I am afraid its the thin end of the wedge when you start to charge to treat people, sorry you have lung cancer but smoke, sorry you a drinker with a bleeding stomache £50 please. most nurses I know will throw very abusive patients out and have the ability to depersonalise comments. But the main problem is, as the artical states who can tell the difference between a drunk person with a head injury and one who has had a bit to drink and collaped with something else, or someone with acute mental health problems. Sorry no easy answer to this one.

K, says...
9:49am Mon 19 May 08

The increased number of alcohol related cases is probably due to the reduction of A+E services in the area to be fair. However, noone should have to, or feel like they have to, put up with such terrible behaviour. It seems unfortunate that such a valuable service is being abused by so many and that security does need to be tightened. If people are treating hospitals like the outside of clubs maybe bouncers should be employed. The system of reporting the abuse against nurses and staff should be improved as it looks to some like they will condone the behaviour.

Roy, Alicante. Spain says...
10:22am Mon 19 May 08

Have a policeman on site with powers of arrest during the 'silly hours' funded by the department within the NHS that is responsible for security. Take the trouble makers out or come under
the supervision of the officer whilst on the premises.

Mick, Bacup says...
10:22am Mon 19 May 08

If you turn up drunk at an A&E department, you should be turned away - the message would soon get through !

Baton the scum, Infirmary says...
1:02pm Mon 19 May 08

Have a couple of police officers on site and operate a zero tolerance policy. When the drunks kick off at the medical staff, they get a swift does of baton and/or CS gas. Think Gene Hunt style policing. Maybe these hard men would then think twice before abusing nurses.

El Duderino, Blackburn says...
1:10pm Mon 19 May 08

Why are people allowed to even get like this? In the telegraph today, Jack Straw says people need to ralise that alcohol can be as bad as some illegal drugs. Well, it's a lot lot worse than cannabis for one. 112 people a month? How many cannabis related injuries do they deal with? How many cannabis deaths have there been? It says 1 in 10 male deaths in the area is related to alcohol! I could walk around the corner now, pick up 2 bottles of whiskey, come home and drink them and then go to hospital to get my stomach pumped later and it would be perfectly legal for me to do so. But it's illegal to smoke a bit of grass and play xbox. Haha! We live is a messed up world people!

matt, blackburn says...
1:31pm Mon 19 May 08

Honestly you cant go around clubbing people with a stick because you really dont know who is drunk and who has a brain injury or mental health problems, dispite reports abusive people they in relative terms are not that common, the vast majority are good people. The police often do nothing when abuse is reported only in cases of extreme behaviour, and then quite often the C.P.S wont push the cases through. This wont change until drinking till oblivion is seen as antisocial but the general public including nurses will talk about getting wasted last night and think it is funny. The amout of stuff that comes through from "normal" people ie I fell over last night after drinking, I have hurt my ankle, cause just as big strain on services. On sunday A+E is full of them. A bigger strain is caused by people not seening there gp. I estimate the upto 75% of people can see a gp if the services are available so drunk people make up only a small numbers and abusive people less than that.

dave, burnley says...
8:00pm Tue 20 May 08

Blackburn MP Jack Straw said new legislation which took effect last Monday gave extra protection to nurses dealing with violent patients.



That's OK then, Jack Straw has spoken, the offenders will tremble in their boots.

Recovering Alcoholic, East Lancashire says...
6:46am Fri 13 Jun 08

"The truth is that there is a long-standing drink problem across the country. Overall, violence-related injuries are going down and some behaviour, for instance around drink-drinving, has improved dramatically, but people have to realise that alcohol, whilst being an important part of most people's social lives, can be as dangerous as some banned drugs.
The real truth of the matter is that Alcohol causes more deaths, crime,accidents, broken homes, unwanted pregancies, domestic violence, drownings, RTA's than any other drug and yet IT HAS THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF MONEY spent on getting people well within mental health! Its a well know fact that if you have a drugs problem you can get rehab no problem in this area but if you have an alcohol problem and want help (and I do stress the ones that really want to stop drinking) more often than not patients are getting dried out (in 3/4 days) and throw out, if they are lucky, without any IMMEDIATE aftercare or rehabilitation. We have no public Alcohol rehab in East Lancashire despite having one of the worst alcohol problems and liver failure rates in this country. Which generates more in tax, Alcohol or illegal drugs? Jack Straw, you and your government have to realise that Alcoholism is an illness which you as a government are responsible for recognising, investing healthcare and educating the public about properly. Understand the illness (through consulting and involving those that have been there) effectively before bringing out stupid policy which tells people who cant drink safetly to continue doing so 'knowing your limits' when these people dont have any limits-I know, Ive been there! 'Knowing your limits' is good for those who are not addicted but where is the 'Knowing when to Stop and how to stay off' campain and treatment coming??? Until it does, nothing will ever change no matter what tax increase, policy or law you throw at it to try and mke peoplle not drink as much. The government needs to wake it up and admit its powerless over alcoholism but try and get those people who are in real need of help off the stuff and get them well. The root causes you may find are closer than what you think. Stop blaming the supermarkets and the parents!! The governments denial seems similar to that of a suffering alcoholic!!!

Your sayYourTelegraph

comment Add your comment

Register for a FREE Lancashire Telegraph account and you can have your say on today's news and sport by adding comments on articles we publish. The best comments may even get published in the paper.

Please register now or sign in below to continue.




Forgotten your password?


What's On Live Travel YourTelegraph

Last updated 03.19 with 0 incidents

Full Traffic Report »

Hot Jobs

Local Advertisers


Local Information

Enter your postcode, town or place name

House prices »   Schools »   Crime »   Hospitals »