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Swamped hospital tells patients to 'go back to Burnley'

8:40am Thursday 28th August 2008

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PATIENTS were told to drive to Burnley in the early hours if they wanted to be seen more quickly after the Royal Blackburn Hospital’s urgent care centre became overwhelmed.

Dozens of people, including children and elderly people, were waiting for treatment on Monday when staff said the urgent care centre at Burnley General Hospital was clear and they should go there to reduce further waits.

Councillors said the incident was further evidence that changes to emergency medicine in East Lancashire had not worked.

Patients, some of whom had been waiting more than the four-hour maximum, called the situation “a shambles”, adding that staff had seemed unable to cope.

But the hospital said that while the urgent care centre was fully staffed, the large number of people accessing the service had resulted in delays and they were giving them ‘an alternative’.

Emergency services in Blackburn and Burnley have been at the centre of controversy since the traditional accident and emergency departments at both hospitals were broken up on November 1 last year.

They were replaced with “walk-in” urgent care centres at both sites, with a single “A&E” department in Blackburn, taking all ambulances from across the region.

Councillor Darren Reynolds, who helped produce the Burnley and Pendle “dossier” of complaints against East Lancashire Hospitals, said many patients chose to travel to Blackburn, where they had the extra reassurance of an on-site emergency department.

He said: “No matter how well the trust explains what services are available, any reasonable person who doesn’t know what is wrong with them would consider playing safe and going to Blackburn.

“If they don’t, and they do need emergency department or in-patient treatment, they face waiting at Burnley to be seen, waiting for an ambulance to Blackburn, and waiting again to be seen at Blackburn before they get anywhere.

“This problem will continue until we get the full service back at both hospitals.”

Sandra Harkness was there with her 79-year-old father Joseph Nightingale, of Manxman Road, Blackburn, who had a suspected broken ankle.

The pair arrived at the centre at 11.30pm on Sunday, and Mr Nightingale was not treated and discharged until 5.40am on Monday - more than six hours later.

Mrs Harkness said: “The staff were brilliant when we finally got dad treated, but there simply weren’t enough of them. It was beyond a joke.

“We had already been there four hours when a nurse came out into the waiting room and said that anyone who had transport would probably be better going to Burnley because it was nearly empty over there.”

She added: “I’ve complained to the hospital, and been told the casualty manager will ring me back, but that’s not what I want - they just need to make sure these things don’t keep happening.”

Burnley Council leader Gordon Birtwistle, said: “It is an Accident and Emergency department at Blackburn, so if someone is ill, it is an emergency to them and they are right to go to go there - whether it is an emergency in the eyes of the hospital is another matter but the sensible thing to do is to go to the nearest Accident and Emergency department which is now in Blackburn.

“It is absolutely scandalous - the department in Blackburn is only just big enough to cope with the people from there, so to expect them to deal with another 250,000 to 350,000 people from North East Lancashire is scandalous.”

Burnley MP Kitty Usher added: “People are wrong in thinking that there are not good facilities at Burnley and that is why they are going to the wrong place - there is an excellent Urgent Care department.”

Dr Geraint Jones, medical director for East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust confirmed the centre had been very busy with more than 80 patients visiting in an 11-hour period.

He added: “In an attempt to help people be seen quicker we reminded patients there was an urgent care centre in Burnley if they were able to get there, as waiting times were much lower. This was merely offered as an alternative to waiting – during periods of high demand for the Urgent Care services we keep people fully informed of how long they will wait and suggest other ways in which they can access healthcare which may be more appropriate and quicker for the individual, for example seeing their GP - however this was not an option due to the Bank Holiday.”

Mr Jones said that urgent care centres should only be used in situations where medical attention is needed right away and people should consider using GPs or minor injury units and NHS Direct.

The urgent care centres at Blackburn and Burnley treat non-emergency admissions including broken limbs, burns and minor ailments. Emergency treatment is provided by the A&E at Blackburn, which accepts all blue-light ambulance emergencies.

Are the changes to emergency treatment in East Lancashire benefiting patients? Add your comments below.


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Kevin, Colne, Colne says...
10:20am Thu 28 Aug 08

It seems to me that Darren and Gordon have got it sbout right and Kitty (like other members of the Government remain locked in complete and total denial).

No one is disputing the fact that the UCC facilities at Burnley are first rate (it used to be an A&E remember?) but what we have here is an issue of psychology that no amount of patient re-education will solve any day soon.

For most people (thank goodness) a trip to A&E or the UCC is likely to be a fairly rare event and undertaken in a state at least of high anxiety and quite possibly outright panic.

It's a bit like when you take an exam. Immediately prior to the exam you're fine but when you get into the examination hall you can barely remember your name let alone
everything that you've revised.

So too I fear with the A&E/UCC system we have. Those who go to UCC at Blackburn are fine, they can easily and quickly be transferred to A&E; not so folks in Burnley and Pendle (which is why some of us prefer Airedale Hospital).

The thought processes of patients faced with what they perceive as a medical emergency will be very different from the rational and calculated way in which the Hospital Trust wants them to work.

Faced with shall we go to UCC at Burnley only to then be delayed because we need treating at Blackburn would strike most people as why go via the 'middelman'.

This in my view is the critical and fundamental flaw in the strategy; and it explains why the new system is resulting in strategic failure.

akon, padiham says...
10:21am Thu 28 Aug 08

Kitty Usher,you spout on to the Burnley electorate about how you support keeping our hospitals & post offices,then you get back to parliament,where you vote on the issues & you abstain .(Kitty Usher speak with forked tongue) !Get her voted out at the next opportunity.you are a disgrace......

Inter-Rossiter, East Lancs says...
11:31am Thu 28 Aug 08

The Burnley seat must be up for grabs come the next General Election.

All it will take is a well run campaign of behalf of the LibDems and it's bye bye Kitty. Same goes for Maureen Martin at county hall, for she had the power to request a review of the decision to close Burnley's A&E dept and submit concerns to the Secretary of State for Health, but she refused to do so and rubber-stamped the decision.

Both these two are a disgrace to the electorate and hopefully they will pay for putting their own political careers before the people who they're supposed to serve!

Slimplynth, Blackburn says...
12:19pm Thu 28 Aug 08

Replace the Royal Infirmary in Blackburn and the A&E from Burnley with what amounts to a portacabin next to the M65. Man it with a skeleton staff and the minimum number of cubicles for patients to be assessed in.

My god!, what were the cretins in charge of all this thinking of? "Lets force everyone to go private by taking away what they had and replacing it with something that doesn't work"?

They can spout all they like about teething problems. If they couldn't see the Blackburn A&E was going to be too small then they shouldn't have been allowed to make the decision at all. Sack the lot of em for gross misconduct.


Jacqui.C, Blackburn says...
1:01pm Thu 28 Aug 08

The reason I feel Blackburn unit is so swamped is that people think they can go to the urgent care unit if they have a mouth ulcer or some other minor ailment. They should be educated more they may then go to the chemist instead.

Slimplynth, Blackburn says...
3:06pm Thu 28 Aug 08

they have enough seating for at most 50 people.. I'll be about right in thinking that will accomdate approx 0.02% of the population of Blackburn & Burnley at any one time. Bearing in mind people rarely go to A&E alone and take a partner, child or friend. You can see how the daunting ques of disgruntled patients further adds to people's perception of an inadequate service. Next time you have to take someone to an A&E department for suspected fracture, possible sprain.. take them to Bolton is my advice, what a difference.. the Televisions even work and they have vending machines nearby for refreshment.

Did I mention they also have more than one unisex toilet at Bolton A&E?(that isn't separated from the main waiting room by a flimsy stud partition wall).. I'm glad Im paying shed loads into the health care system for this world leading service.

RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
3:30pm Thu 28 Aug 08

what a **** up!!!thats why countrys on its ar*e no bodys got a clue what there doing!!

andy1, burnley says...
7:00pm Thu 28 Aug 08

Inter-Rossiter wrote:
The Burnley seat must be up for grabs come the next General Election.

All it will take is a well run campaign of behalf of the LibDems and it's bye bye Kitty. Same goes for Maureen Martin at county hall, for she had the power to request a review of the decision to close Burnley's A&E dept and submit concerns to the Secretary of State for Health, but she refused to do so and rubber-stamped the decision.

Both these two are a disgrace to the electorate and hopefully they will pay for putting their own political careers before the people who they're supposed to serve!
Well said Inter-Rossiter any one regardless of their Politics who would vote for Maureen Martin need to be admitted into the Psychiatric Unit.

Labour must of been desperate when she was nominated to stand for the County Elections. When she was the Chairperson of Burnley C.L.P she was useless. Also Mrs Martin has an habit of getting rid of Party member's who don't measure up to her criteria. What I mean by that if your not New Labour your out simple. Waste of time you asking Mrs Martin to do a **** thing unless its been passed through the Hierarchy of New Labour HQ.

As for Kitty Usher London's that way >>>>> the most useless MP Burnley ever elected. She will be gone come the next General Election back to the Smoke where she belongs. If the C.L.P have any clue you need to get rid of quite a number of Dead Wood from Borough Councillors through to the present MP. Its about time you started listening to people on the door step not the Ministers in West Minister.

Being an ex Labour Member I wouldn't give the two mentioned the time of day let alone a vote.

dougie, blackburn says...
8:47pm Thu 28 Aug 08

why dont the morons who run rbh listen to the public and own up they got it wrong closing down burnley a+e patients and staff are all stressed out with having to put up with the balls up management have created get of your backsides now and admit you were wrong

Kevin, Colne, Colne says...
8:54pm Thu 28 Aug 08

The current travails of the Labour Party are going to be a subject of much fascination to political scientists for many years to come.

As an outsider looking in so-to-speak it seems to me that New Labour was created because Old (True) Labour could not get elected. New Labour was based on a 'Big Tent' spanning the classes so although intially it gained broad support much of that support was exceedingly shallow.

A decade in office and most of the support that they attracted from other parties has returned home and, more to the point, Labour seems to have alienated its core voters.

Quite frankly it's hard to imagine a more difficult set of circumstances for any party to face.

When one adds into the equation the 'Gordon' factor then the situation of the Party moves from merely awful to absolutely dire.

Simply put the British Left has lost its way, which is a crying shame as there is a real need for a debate about the forces that are shaping our lives.

Certainly all the political parties seem to be suffering from a paucity of talent. They simply can't attract members in sufficient numbers or of high calibre.

By and large the parties put forward members as candidates for election who are conformists (clones, for want of a better word). Sad, but true.

denant, Burnley says...
5:02pm Fri 29 Aug 08

The only way to achieve any change to the shambolic situations being encountered by patients visiting A&E at Royal Blackburn is to make it very clear that this is now a political timebomb which is ticking away and will definitely blow away the sitting Labour MPs in Burnley, Pendle,and Rossendale at the next General Election. It will also affect the re-election chances of Labour MPs in Blackburn and Hyndburn.
The overwhelming majority of people in East Lancashire voiced their opposition to the closure of "Blue Light" services at Burnley General Hospital during the sham consultation process. It became very clear that no matter what the patients and the public and indeed the staff said the changes would take place.
Patients lives are being put at risk,dedicated staff are being stressed out, trauma patients are being ferried extra distances in ambulances on busy roads and motorways. All for what?
Not for enhanced patient care. The real bottom line was to save money.
What were Kitty Usher, Gordon Prentice and Janet Anderson doing to back their constituents during their fight to keep all A&E services
at Burnley ? The answer was very very little. Did they threaten to resign en bloc in support of the people they were elected to represent ? The answer is a resounding NO!!
Have they visited the new Phase V building in Burnley recently, as I understand built with PFI money, on which rent is being paid.
They should visit and ask questions as the only thing missing in the reception area and corridor is the tumbleweed blowing about.
When A&E "Blue Light" services finally closed in Burnley on
1st Nov 2007 that was the date that democracy finally died under a Labour Government. The wishes of the people had been steamrollered into the ground.
I offer this rhyme to be remembered by voters at the next General Election and indeed by voters in local elections when members of the Overview and Scrutiny Committee, who disregarded their constituents views, are asking to be re-elected.
Remember remember the 1st of November (2007)
A government plot we've never forgot
Put your hand in your pocket
and pull out your pen
A cross in a box
Will teach them-no end

Former Labour Party Supporter

DaveBurnley, Burnley says...
8:21pm Fri 29 Aug 08

All Kitty is interested in is keeping her well paid job. She toes the official NuLab line and spits at the local voters. We are just cannon fodder to be used by her and her sort to keep her in a life of luxury.

Fred Storm, says...
8:38pm Fri 29 Aug 08

This paper seems obsessed with highlighting every negative aspect of the BRH but very rarely do we see anything positive. I recently had A&E treatment & a minor op & found the hospital and it's staff to be exemplary. Let's have a bit of balance for a change!

pendlereader, Pendle says...
10:34pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Fred Storm said "This paper seems obsessed with highlighting every negative aspect of the BRH but rarely do we see anything positive".

The reason we are not seeing any 'positive' stories is because of the injustice caused by so few to so many.

A succesful operation is unlikely to attract public attention. However, a claim by hospital managers that the Royal Blackburn hospital could cater for all A&E services for people in East Lancashire, followed by evidence to the contrary would.

The fact is there was no evidence that removing A&E services from Burnley and surrounding areas would result in better healthcare at Blackburn, full stop.

With an increasing population this will never be the case, no matter how big the Blackburn hospital is made.

Demographics have not been accounted for and the Labour government's NHS plan assumed every English county has a similar rate of disease or health requirement. Clearly this is not the case since coronary heart disease in East Lancashire is much higher than that in East Dorset.

The population of East Lancs is over 600,000 and, according to Lord Darzi, there should be one A&E to cover a population of between 300,000 and 450,000. So if we take the initial figure (300,000) it's essential that East Lancs has two hospitals to deal with emergencies.

After Burnley's A&E was removed last November, the people of east lancashire were told by the hospitals trust and their purchases of healthcare the PCT to 'Take Care' of themselves.

People simply cannot distinguish between urgent (immediate) care and care that requires emergency treatment. And Councillor darren reynolds (see news article above) is correct.

URGENT CARE REQUIRES EMERGENCY MEASURES.

If a builder falls into a fire from a roof breaking his femur, collar bone and legs, then according to the above they can be treated at an urgent care centre.

The ONLY reason the NHS reforms were implemented was to save £26m from NHS deficits across the hospitals in East Lancs. The idea forwarded by Lord Darzi and Sir George Alberti was a false pretence that if only 7 out of ten patients attending A&E needed minor treatment then why not shut down areas where there are more than one A&E and centralise it.

The vision behind the NHS reforms was that patients had a 'choice', as with private care, patients had a 'choice' of where they would like their treatment.

As this article highlights. On Monday the patients had a 'choice'.
They could either wait in pain, go home, or go to Burnley.

I rest my case.



Kevin, Colne, Colne says...
5:30am Sat 30 Aug 08

pendlereader,

Thank you for your informative and well argued post.

I would just add one more comment, if I may. The factor that has been totally ignored here by the SHA and local NHS Trusts is the geography of the situation.

Having A&E solely at Blackburn means that it is located in the very extremity of the south eastern quandrant of the East Lancashire sub-region which it now serves.

It's very hard to see how we can now escape from this unmitigated disaster of public policy. It's no good looking to the current set of MPs who have proved spectacularly inept in representing our interests.

Kevin, Colne, Colne says...
6:20am Sat 30 Aug 08

Sorry I should I have said south-western quandrant. My compass is a bit out; but what do you expect at 5.30 in the morning?

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